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I have an interest in moving to the Eastern Europe (Kiev Ukraine, maybe) for a few years (or maybe to stay, who knows). To me, this seems like a much safer way to find a foreign wife, for a number of reasons.
But of course I'll need to pay the bills when I'm out there. I'd very much appreciate your sharing with me any advice or anecdotes you can about how people do this.
Of course there's teaching the English language, and I'm sure I'd do a fine job, but man the pay looks crummy. I have a very decent Engineering and high-tech sales background, so I would sure like to exploit that instead (but of course I don't speak a word of Ukrainian, and as a 35-year-old I'll never be fluent).
(If I had to guess at a plan, I'd land by teaching English, and then hustle up something better-paying once I was there. But that's just a guess.)
Any advice and anecdotes you can share will be very much appreciated. Thank you
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Almost half of Ukraine cannot speak Ukrainian, so do not worry about that. Present day politicians had to go to school and take classes to learn to speak it.
Hmm, two + avenues:
Teaching English either there or online would be nice. I can give you some schools where you would be able to teach online and make some $1200 +/- a month which is surviving wages there. Otherwise, google ESL teacher Ukraine wanted.
Then, you can network through various online expat clubs/boards. Get ready to listen to a lot of naysayers and sarcastic jealous expats who do not want competition. Fellow Americans in particular are notorious for that. They think they are homesteading and they want to shoot the stranger coming into town who is out to get their women and horses. If you find 2-4 good Americans who will help you, consider yourself lucky
At the same time you could be applying for engineering jobs through again overseas job boards. Just search with the keywords.
I have found that if you spend 7-10 hours online a day searching for something like that really hard, within one month you either get it or you get solid leads which will take you there.
Also think of what consulting services you can offer online. I have found that to be the best way to make a living.
The disadvantage to working online only is that you will now have to worry about visa extensions and doing those yourself. In case of being hired by a company, they will take care of visas for you.
Ukraine is a corrupt and lawless land founded by viking thugs and Cossack outlaws. Neither I nor my father who both had been born there could make a living or get a permanent permit to live there. Hope you have better luck!
A brain is a terrible thing to wash!
Thank you, Ladislav.
The "consulting services" option is certainly interesting. If I can get $30/hour for something, and if $1200/month is living wage, then we're talking ten hours per week here. Wow.
So just to help get my brain working, can you list a few consulting services that you've heard of other people providing from Ukraine/Russia/etc?
Thank you for your help so far.
No, I do not mean you are providing the services out of Ukraine, unless you mean just physically being there. You are an engineer right? So think where you can consult worldwide. Then you just do it online. It matters little whether you are in Ukraine or in New Caledonia. I knew one guy who was a doctor and he was giving consultations online related to oncology out of the Philippines to medical labs in the US. You know your field, you just need to sit down and really think how you plan on doing it. The Internet can be milked for money if you work hard enough.
Then, there is English teaching, always.
Just google: ESL online native English teacher wanted
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A brain is a terrible thing to wash!
I am good to go in case I want to go live in Ukraine for a few years since I have TEFL from a decent school, it costs about 2,500 for a month session. I totally loved the place and people. Here is their website:
You can get a CELTA certificate from the International House in Kiev for about $1,200.
I made my living almost exclusively online since I have been traveling for the past almost 3 years. One key to online is education. People are willing to pay money for something that will be of great benefit to themselves in the long run. This means that information based products can sell well online. I have also had some luck with entertainment products, but aside from casual games, which I cannot create by myself, it seems that only in Japan do people pay for entertainment products online (meaning digital download comics and animation).
There are a few things you might consider with your high tech background. Online consulting has already been mentioned. You can also create your own information products, ebooks or training videos, based on your knowledge and skill set. You may also build an information packed website and sell advertising on it. These things may take some time to build up, but it can be done with enough effort.
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What about Philippines? I think $1200 would be plenty to live on there. I know you mentioned online English teaching in another thread and I'm looking into it now. I'll be arriving in PI in about 10 days and I want to be able to get my online biz up and running so I'll be able to stay permanently and/or move around the world w/o having to come crawling back to the US.
But all of the cheap CELTA's happen to be a $1,500 long distance jet flight from most Anglo nations, and then another long flight to where the jobs are.
It's a wash on the cost.
About $4,000 all told with food, rent, room, board, travel and tuition.
You want a place 15 minutes from the center. It's a full time gig and you will be on it every spare moment. No time to play.
You might want to take a look at sites like:
vworker.com and odesk.com that allow you to work on projects from anywhere that you have internet access.
Another idea you might want to try is to find a job in the US that can be done over the internet, develop a good personal relationship with that employer, and show him that you can do the work from home using logmein or some other remote access service. Later, you might be able to convince that employer to let you work from overseas. This might take some time but in the end if you had a first world salary in a third world country you would be very well off.