It's fine to worship Lucifer

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Re: It's fine to worship Lucifer

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Pixel--Dude wrote:
July 26th, 2022, 6:36 pm
A form of governance shouldn't subscribe to ideologies such as Christianity or Islam.
If you don't have any shared ideology there is no basis to get anything done and no means of judging any results.
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Re: It's fine to worship Lucifer

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@Pixel--Dude and @Cornfed

The Inquisition is honestly a nothingburger when it comes to historical atrocities. Random African dictators that nobody's ever heard of kill more people faster then the Inquisition did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

3,000-5,000 deaths from 1478 to 1834.

2,000 of which occurred from 1478-1540.

So during the worst period of the inquisition, it still only killed like 30 people per year.

The only reason why the Inquisition is so famous now is because the people who were living through it at the time were so angry about it that countless documents were written condemning it. That's also why Bloody Mary is so infamous even though she only killed 280 people.

These events do not showcase the brutality of the era. Ironically, they actually show just how peaceful it really was because these events were so shocking to people at the time they felt the need to heavily document it. Everybody's heard of the Inquisition, but how many people have heard of the Srebrenica massacre?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

This only happened 30 years ago and I guarantee you virtually nobody you talk to in daily life has heard about it. 8,300 people dead, that's worse then all 400 years of the inquisition and it only took two weeks to happen.

Christian theocracy and Islamic theocracy cannot be lumped into the same category. Do you also believe that a Hindu theocracy would look the same as a Buddhist theocracy? We're talking about very different ideological frameworks and Islam has notoriously had a much more extensive history of violence. But your own statistics show that Saudi Arabia is killing people faster then the Inquisition did too.

I already told you pixel what Christian theocracy accomplished in the 1400s and 1500s...
In the 1400s and 1500s, marriage was universal and a man could provide for a family of 6 on 132 days of work, everything after that was extra disposable income. Most people only worked 200 days out of the year back then. The average hours worked was 1300 a year.
This chart also shows that war deaths were at the lowest level per capita that they've ever been in history during that time period...

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Christian theocracy built this...

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And this...

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And this...

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And this...

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Almost everything you see in Europe today which is beautiful. Everything that tourists clamor to see, all the architecture we associate with Europe, was built during the Renaissance under Christian theocracy. European civilization reached its peak during the 1400s and 1500s under Christian theocracy. And the proof is in the fact that despite how long ago it was, people still obsess over everything that was created, built, or painted during that era.
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Re: It's fine to worship Lucifer

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Outcast9428 wrote:
July 26th, 2022, 8:26 pm
@Pixel--Dude and @Cornfed

The Inquisition is honestly a nothingburger when it comes to historical atrocities. Random African dictators that nobody's ever heard of kill more people faster then the Inquisition did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

3,000-5,000 deaths from 1478 to 1834.

2,000 of which occurred from 1478-1540.

So during the worst period of the inquisition, it still only killed like 30 people per year.

The only reason why the Inquisition is so famous now is because the people who were living through it at the time were so angry about it that countless documents were written condemning it. That's also why Bloody Mary is so infamous even though she only killed 280 people.

These events do not showcase the brutality of the era. Ironically, they actually show just how peaceful it really was because these events were so shocking to people at the time they felt the need to heavily document it. Everybody's heard of the Inquisition, but how many people have heard of the Srebrenica massacre?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

This only happened 30 years ago and I guarantee you virtually nobody you talk to in daily life has heard about it. 8,300 people dead, that's worse then all 400 years of the inquisition and it only took two weeks to happen.

Christian theocracy and Islamic theocracy cannot be lumped into the same category. Do you also believe that a Hindu theocracy would look the same as a Buddhist theocracy? We're talking about very different ideological frameworks and Islam has notoriously had a much more extensive history of violence. But your own statistics show that Saudi Arabia is killing people faster then the Inquisition did too.

I already told you pixel what Christian theocracy accomplished in the 1400s and 1500s...
In the 1400s and 1500s, marriage was universal and a man could provide for a family of 6 on 132 days of work, everything after that was extra disposable income. Most people only worked 200 days out of the year back then. The average hours worked was 1300 a year.
This chart also shows that war deaths were at the lowest level per capita that they've ever been in history during that time period...

Image

Christian theocracy built this...

Image

And this...

Image

And this...

Image

And this...

Image

Almost everything you see in Europe today which is beautiful. Everything that tourists clamor to see, all the architecture we associate with Europe, was built during the Renaissance under Christian theocracy. European civilization reached its peak during the 1400s and 1500s under Christian theocracy. And the proof is in the fact that despite how long ago it was, people still obsess over everything that was created, built, or painted during that era.
So your argument about 1400s and 1500s being so great is because marriage was universal? Marriage is no indicator of morality. Marriage was universal because a Christian theocracy, which is an authoritarian religion, encourages conformity with social pressures etc.

People who are into polyamorous relationships are not any less moral or intelligent than those who desire monogamous relationships. There is no correlation between married people and intelligence, but there is a correlation between intelligence and an unwillingness to conform to arbitrary social norms such as marriage.

Christian theocracy used Christianity to ensure the feudal society so their power could not be challenged. They burned books and knowledge of the occult and steered us into the Dark Ages. Plus a Christian theocracy would inevitably become dangerous to anyone who didn't share its values and ideals. In that sense it wouldn't be much different at all from an Islamic theocracy.

I can't remember if it was you or Cornfed who argued that Christianity wasn't responsible for the downfall of Rome, but it certainly contributed. When Christianity became the state religion the church took resources from the empire by acquiring large pieces of land and kept the income for themselves. Plus the empire had to accommodate various members of the church hierarchy such as monks and nuns etc which must have inevitably contributed to its downfall.

We have a Christian theocracy to thank for the images you posted? What about the marvels of antiquity erected by polytheistic cultures from around the world prior to the emergence of Christianity?

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... h%2Fx%2Fim

Petra, the city of rock. Jordan.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... h%2Fx%2Fim

Machu Picchu in Peru.

https://images.app.goo.gl/y7zZ7SheczU5B3YG9

Pyramids of Giza. Egypt. Still marvelled over to this day and more popular than any Anglo castle.

https://images.app.goo.gl/QWEtfyunSzyuFukJ6

And in India there is this temple, the architecture of which completely trumps anything inspired by Christian theocracies.
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