Starting your own church

[Cornfed]

Apparently there is a home church movement to replace the evil mainstream cuck churches. This would seem to be a good thing those with Christian backgrounds should get into, as there really is a need for a sound religion to survive the current degeneracy and this is a good opportunity to shed our denominational baggage and get back to basics. It does however pose a few questions.

For example, who is fit to be a preacher or presbyter of such a church and what is the allowable scope of belief? Obviously preachers should be confined to intelligent, educated men, but without an officially sanctioned creed or sermons, is this enough? It would not be desirable for any established cuck church to ordain or approve of priests, given that most of their priests are heretics who would ideally be burned at the stake, but might there be any basic prescribed course of pastoral education we could agree on? A school of thought is that in order to understand Christianity you would need to be educated in Platonic philosophy, as the founders of Christianity were Hellenised and the church spread within the Greco-Roman world. Would we agree?


On the issue of acceptable creeds it would probably be possible to keep things fairly open ended within the limits of the accepted traditional norms of Christianity and Christian society. Any attempts of introducing the scourge of cultural Marxism/feminism would result in the miscreants responsible being immediately banned, and to me this should include any of the Enlightenment era equality bullshit.

Then there is the issue of what to actually do in church. Here we would be at a disadvantage over some of the established churches. Take singing for example. A lot of church singing is cringeworthy, but the church I have attended recently has a majority of Mennonite-background members, so they know a huge variety of hymns they learned as children and can sing them very well. A traditional old-school Mennonite church I attended had a bizarre yet harmonious verbal music type of chanting that most people couldn't possibly imitate. Hence singing works very well for them. However, for a small new church, particularly one populated with those of us who couldn't carry a tune on a shovel, the singing could possibly best be dispensed with.

So what does that leave? Well, in the books of Acts and Corinthians, the Bible itself guides us. Church is for preaching, teaching, praying and eating together. So a service might begin with a prayer of some sort, the preacher could expound on a historical and/or religious topic and relate it to everyday life, there could be discussion on doctrinal matters, a video on a religious topic could be watched and discussed and a meal could be eaten. That sort of thing.

Thoughts.

[MrMan]

While we are talking about Christianity, an important concept is to love your neighbor. That includes African neighbors. One of the early converts in Christianity was an Ethiopian man from Africa that Philip baptized. There were also Africans in the church in Antioch who were from Cyrene.

As far as house churches go, there is a variety of expressions of it. Some house churches are very much back-to-the-New-Testament type churches. If you look in Acts, elders were appointed from within every church (see the end of Acts 14). Elders are told to pastor the flock of God and are called bishops/overseers (Acts 20:28.) The requirements for a bishop are listed in Titus 1 and I Timothy 3. They have to be able to teach, and they have to rule their houses well and not be given to much wine, etc. A specific theology degree is not found in the Biblical requirements.

Acts 14 indicates that there were churches before elders were appointed in them, because the apostles came back and appointed elders in every church. Some house churches do not have appointed elders, yet.

Much of what is done in church as far as preaching, etc. is not specifically spelled out in the New Testament. Much of it comes from tradition, and Protestant tradition emphasizes the sermon. The New Testament gives some specifics about what to do in church in I Corinthians where it says 'every one of you has a psalm, a teaching, a tongue, a revelation, an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.' Then there are instructions on how one can speak in tongues and one interpret, the prophets can speak two or three and the other judged, and ye may all prophesy one by one. So apparently, members of the assembly would teach, prophesy, sing, etc., using their gifts in a given meeting to edify others. Many house churches follow this model and they take turns speaking. Someone might be assigned to teach on a given passage of scripture in some churches. There is a lot of variety.

Many missionaries working in places hostile to Christianity go the house church route for church planting. There are networks of house churches that have replicated and grown to tens of thousands of churches in a matter of years. Many house churches are nondenominational. Some of them are Charismatic, though not all. As far as denominations go, the Southern Baptist mission board promoted house churches for a while, and there have been some huge success stories in terms of numbers of conversions.

[Cornfed]

While we are talking about Christianity, an important concept is to love your neighbor. That includes African neighbors. One of the early converts in Christianity was an Ethiopian man from Africa that Philip baptized. There were also Africans in the church in Antioch who were from Cyrene.

If you wanted to live in an African community for some reason then yes you might worship with them. If unwelcome Africans infested the place where you were living, there would be no requirement to interact with them. Jesus made it clear in the parable of the Good Samaritan that your neighbours were contributing members of your community. In general different subspecies such as Africans should be left to their own conceptions of religion. Trying to whitesplain religion to them would be like trying to teach them mathematics. You are just going to confuse and annoy them.

[MrMan]

While we are talking about Christianity, an important concept is to love your neighbor. That includes African neighbors. One of the early converts in Christianity was an Ethiopian man from Africa that Philip baptized. There were also Africans in the church in Antioch who were from Cyrene.

If you wanted to live in an African community for some reason then yes you might worship with them. If unwelcome Africans infested the place where you were living, there would be no requirement to interact with them. Jesus made it clear in the parable of the Good Samaritan that your neighbours were contributing members of your community. In general different subspecies such as Africans should be left to their own conceptions of religion. Trying to whitesplain religion to them would be like trying to teach them mathematics. You are just going to confuse and annoy them.

A African went up to Jerusalem. God did not have all the Christians ignore him. Philip went down to the road the Ethiopian was on after being directed by an angel. The Spirit told him to walk alongside the chariot. He went down into the water to baptize.

The Samaritans were a people-group despised my many Jews, who no doubt had feelings toward them like you have towards Africans.

There are many, many African Christians, and there has been an explosion of Africans converting to Christ over the last hundred years or so. The Bible says this,

I John 4:20
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

[MrMan]

Cornfed,

Do you know that Jesus is a Jew? Do you worship that Jew?

[Cornfed]

Cornfed,

Do you know that Jesus is a Jew? Do you worship that Jew?

Jesus presumably had some Jewish connection in that he was educated in the Temple for part of his life but he clearly came from the Hellenised world, hailing as he did from the outskirts of a Greek city - Copernicus. This is presumably why mainstream Jews regarded him as being on the outer, calling him the Nazorean and saying things like "Can anything good come out of Nazareth?". In any case there is no reason to think he would be ethnically the same as contemporary Khazarian Jews today and even if he was, given that he was meant to be the manifestation of a devine being, it is irrelevant. Obviously he was diametrically opposed to evil Talmudic Jews, who openly regard the Pharisees as their philosophical ancestors.

[MrMan]

Cornfed,

Do you know that Jesus is a Jew? Do you worship that Jew?

Jesus presumably had some Jewish connection in that he was educated in the Temple for part of his life but he clearly came from the Hellenised world, hailing as he did from the outskirts of a Greek city - Copernicus. This is presumably why mainstream Jews regarded him as being on the outer, calling him the Nazorean and saying things like "Can anything good come out of Nazareth?". In any case there is no reason to think he would be ethnically the same as contemporary Khazarian Jews today and even if he was, given that he was meant to be the manifestation of a devine being, it is irrelevant. Obviously he was diametrically opposed to evil Talmudic Jews, who openly regard the Pharisees as their philosophical ancestors.

From what I've read, there were Hellenistic Jews who read the Septuagint in their synagogues, in Greek. There were the Jews in Judea, Gallillee, etc. who read in Hebrew and probably taught it in Aramaic, or else someone taught in Hebrew and someone else translated. Also, some of the Jews from historically poorer families may have just spoken Hebrew as a native language since their ancestors were not carted off to Babylon where they learned to speak Aramaic. There are some quotes from Jesus in Aramaic in the Gospel, so we know He spoke that. He also read scripture in Hebrew. The idea that He was a Hellenized Jew does not fit what I have read.

The idea that Jews are Khazars is rather flimsy propaganda. There may be a little Khazari blood among Ashkenazi Jews, just like there is various kinds of European blood from their marrying locals and converting them. But the researchers say they tend to have a male middle eastern patriarchal ancestor.

[Cornfed]

Whenever I search for online church services on Youtube and such a lot of mulattas and negresses seem to come up. Hopefully this is yet another evil Jewish plot to undermine Christianity. It would be depressing to think that anyone would actually think in made sense to listen to female negros on religion or anything else.

[MrMan]

Paul and Barnabas spent did not mind spending time with black people.


Acts 13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.

I John 4:20
If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?

I John 3:15
Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.