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Indian guru explains why the law of attraction doesn't work. Wow the girl who's interviewing him is hot. I never saw an Indian girl look that hot before. lol. She's an actress it says.

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Man look how stupid and dumb everyone is. Everyone on YouTube thinks you can attract what you want just by focusing on it. So dumb and delusional. Why does everyone believe this shit? It contradicts basic reality and logic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGasceCiKUo

Anurag Bhuyan
1 year ago
The concept of opposite attraction is true only in physical things like magnets. But in life, in our thoughts, law of attraction means like attracting like. If you think optimistic things about yourself, more good thoughts will flow to you, but if you focus on the insecurities, more of such degrading thoughts will make you depressed. Thus like attracting like. And people think law of attraction is only about thinking and visualising but doing nothing, it's not that, first you need to create a positive thought, or a wish of how you wish to live a blissful life, introspect deeply what makes you blissful then act like you are already accepting what you have wished for. A person doing all these will be blissful forever after achieving the consistency of this practice, the desire for the result is also vanished, it becomes only about the process and not about any result. That's law of attraction.♥️

Loren Henriksen
5 months ago
@Siddhant Satao Who said that the law of attraction doesn't work! What ever you put your attention on you will attract. What ever your belief is at the moment will be self fulfilling prophecy ! What ever you repeat in your mind ,emotion, the law of attraction responds, it doesn't differentiate between good and bad...

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​ @Loren Henriksen not true. you can only attract what's achievable and meant to be. if you are not cut out to be a gymnast, you can't attract it by focusing on it. that's sheer delusion. you also have to be talented to be a gymnast. ask any coach. he will tell you that without talent, the LOA isn't gonna help you and he will not waste his time training you. the coaches live in the real world, not the fake new age bs world. why are you all soooooooo dumb? are you all for real?
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Some people swear that the law of attraction works. There certainly has been a lot of books and seminars about it. Other people say that it's complete nonsense.
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I don't understand something. We do not have control over most things in life as we all know, so how can we be "creating our own reality" as New Agers always claim? Isn't that an obvious contradiction? Ancient people always said that our fate is up to the gods, not us, so this "we create our own reality" concept is a modern new age concept, it's not part of ancient wisdom. That's what New Agers never tell you. The ancients believed in seeking inner peace and endurance and gaining the favor of the gods, they never said that you can create your own reality with your thoughts. That's a modern invention and myth. All New Agers have bought into it, even though they call themselves freethinkers. Go figure.

Here's an example of what I mean. Below New Age speaker Dolores Cannon talks about how we create our own reality and that there are no limitations except for the limitations you put on yourself. Why do Americans and New Agers accept this uncritically?



Excuse me. What's the evidence that there are no limitations? Belief isn't going to let you walk through walls or fly off a building. We all know that. So this makes no sense and doesn't fit what we see and experience in common sense reality. Just because a few people have beaten the odds doesn't mean that anything is possible and that most people can accomplish the impossible. The truth is most people will never achieve their dreams or become rich or find their soulmate, so they have to settle. As the saying goes "You get what you need, not what you want." This is the case with most people, only a small percentage of people become rich or achieve their dreams or find their soulmate. This is the stark reality that New Agers always try to hide from you. All we can do is find inner peace and let go of our attachments and lower our expectations and live a more simple minimalist lifestyle. The good news that no one is telling you (except me) is that we can move to a better country abroad where we can have more freedom, a lower cost of living, healthier lifestyle and social connection. (e.g. Thailand, Cambodia, Philippines, SE Asia, Latin America, Eastern Europe) Leaving America will make your life a lot better, freer, healthier and more authentic. This is the REAL achievable solution that all New Agers are hiding from you and won't even touch for some unknown reason.
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Check out this exchange I had with a New Ager on YouTube when I called out his/her LOA BS. lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtMbeI4kBsk

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@Justus Martel Gordon
There is something that blocks it because you think there is.
We are creators, we manifest.

It doesn't matter if he is asleep or not. You are overthinking it.
Let go of the intellect. Let go of what if this or that….etc.
Just heal… think of nothing else. See light flowing from your hands through your son's entire body.
You are a creator and eternal, STOP doubting yourself.


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@Eternal💯 Remember What You Are! That's new age BS. We are not all powerful. The average person cannot even lift a toothpick off the table using telekinesis. So how are we all powerful? If belief creates reality then we would all be living in a utopia and disappointment would not exist. What you are proposing is victim blaming too. Even those with genuine telekinesis can only move very small objects with their mind, not large objects like the Jedi do in Star Wars. If belief creates reality then how come the Titanic sank even though everyone believed it was unsinkable? How come Amelia Earhart didn't make the last leg of her flight even though she believed she would? How come people who believe they will win money in the stock market get disappointed? Every time I ask these simple questions, you new agers run away in fear. Why?


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4 hours ago
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You seem lost, my friend.
You don't belong here, in these conversations. You are a very low level awakening stage. You are at level one.
That's why you are so angry about things you do not understand.
You see this world as physical, talking about telekinesis. lol
I suggest you move on and ignore me.
When you reach at least level 10 come back and ask questions.
Good luck.


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2 hours ago
@Eternal💯 Remember What You Are! What's the evidence that we are all powerful gods like Q in Star Trek: The Next Generation? How am I lost? I spend everyday seeking truth and am the ULTIMATE truth seeker because I apply critical thinking to all sides. I know every theory out there. I've asked these questions since the 1990s. You new agers always run away in fear from these simple questions. How come only upper middle class yuppies in nice houses like to hear that "you create your own reality" whereas lower class people hate it and think it's BS? That should tell you something. It's just self delusion, not reality. If you think faith can move mountains, show me. Go out and move mountains with your mind, like Jesus said you could. Deep down you know you can't.


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@Eternal💯 Remember What You Are! Furthermore, just because I am a spiritual truth seeker too, like you, doesn't mean I have to buy all the new age BS out there, such as the claim that we are all powerful gods with unlimited potential. Who actually believes that? Isn't it obvious crap and self-delusional and feeding the narcissistic American ego? How come down to earth people don't believe that? Why do Americans love to gobble up this kind of BS so easily? In Europe, rational down to earth people don't gobble that up like Americans do.
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The Law of Attraction is indeed BS. We cannot create our own reality with our thoughts alone. We are neither Brahman nor all-powerful beings. Indeed, we are beholden to all kinds of factors beyond our control, both physical and metaphysical.

The mind can influence reality but in order to manifest desired changes in one's own life one must have a powerful aura and the kind of extreme concentration of thought that only an advanced meditator can possess and then actively will such desired changes into existence while in a deep trance state. Even still months of consistent meditation might be necessary in order to achieve the desired results. But regular people can't change their own reality just by thinking it for a few seconds. That's just delusional. The majority of New Agers have neither true practical knowledge of occultism nor any idea of how the deeper levels of reality really work.
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Question I sent out to a number of Truthers I correspond with. Do any of you have any answers?

I have a simple question about the concept that "things don't exist unless perceived" that is often brought up among New Agers and Truthers, when they mention things like the double slit experiment, the observer effect, or the "tree falling in the forest" analogy. If things don't exist unless perceived then:

1. How come if you step on a banana peel and you don't see it, you can still slip and fall from it? Or if you stub your toe while walking, it still hurts even though you didn't look down?
2. How come if you walk backwards in a room, you will still hit the wall behind you even though you don't see it?
3. How come if you turn your back to an avalanche or bullet, it will still hit you and hurt or kill you even though you didn't see it? I'm sure JFK didn't see the bullet that hit him, for example.
4. How come in a glass maze at an amusement park, I still keep hitting the glass walls even though I don't see them or know that they are there?
Etc.

These are obvious questions. So how come none of the podcast interviewers on YT ever ask them? Even George Noory and Art Bell of Coast to Coast AM never asked their guests this simple obvious question when the subject came up of "objects not existing unless perceived" in quantum physics. How can I be the only one that sees the obvious? I don't get it. It makes me wonder if I'm the only real person in the matrix. lol. Gotta wonder. Every time I ask this question to New Agers and Truthers, they always run away in fear and are stumped and have no answer. I've been waiting for an answer to this since the 1990s. Why is it so hard to get an answer to such a simple question? What is wrong with everyone?

I also have another similar question. Matt McKinley and Howdie Mickoski keep saying that expectations create reality, so that when you are in the afterlife state, you will see what you expect. They also say that "thoughts create your reality" too of course, which all New Agers pontificate universally. But if that's so then:

1. How come people don't make money in the stock market or in casinos merely by expecting to?
2. How come Amelia Earhart didn't make the last leg of her journey even though she expected to and was brave and confident?
3. How come the Titanic sunk even though everyone expected it was unsinkable?
4. How come disappointment exists when it shouldn't? How come most things end up in disappointment even when you are optimistic and hopeful?
Etc. Etc.

Again, this is a simple question, so how come no one dares to ask or answer these questions? No one on YouTube brings them up, and no one on Coast to Coast AM does either, even though these are obvious questions. How can that be? Very baffling. How do I see obvious things that everyone else is blind to? It makes me wonder if this is some bardo state and everyone else is unreal? I sent these questions to Matt and Howdie before but they always run away in fear and have no answer. I've been wondering about these things since the 1990s but everyone is afraid of simple questions that debunk their delusions and erroneous premises it seems.

Do you have any answers? Can I finally get some answers and explanations?

Winston
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Winston wrote:
January 8th, 2023, 8:32 pm
Question I sent out to a number of Truthers I correspond with. Do any of you have any answers?

I have a simple question about the concept that "things don't exist unless perceived" that is often brought up among New Agers and Truthers, when they mention things like the double slit experiment, the observer effect, or the "tree falling in the forest" analogy. If things don't exist unless perceived then:

1. How come if you step on a banana peel and you don't see it, you can still slip and fall from it? Or if you stub your toe while walking, it still hurts even though you didn't look down?
2. How come if you walk backwards in a room, you will still hit the wall behind you even though you don't see it?
3. How come if you turn your back to an avalanche or bullet, it will still hit you and hurt or kill you even though you didn't see it? I'm sure JFK didn't see the bullet that hit him, for example.
4. How come in a glass maze at an amusement park, I still keep hitting the glass walls even though I don't see them or know that they are there?
Etc.

These are obvious questions. So how come none of the podcast interviewers on YT ever ask them? Even George Noory and Art Bell of Coast to Coast AM never asked their guests this simple obvious question when the subject came up of "objects not existing unless perceived" in quantum physics. How can I be the only one that sees the obvious? I don't get it. It makes me wonder if I'm the only real person in the matrix. lol. Gotta wonder. Every time I ask this question to New Agers and Truthers, they always run away in fear and are stumped and have no answer. I've been waiting for an answer to this since the 1990s. Why is it so hard to get an answer to such a simple question? What is wrong with everyone?
Most people are NPCs. But as for your questions and observations, you are comparing matter on a subatomic level to something big enough to stub your toe on. In the double slit experiment when the particles are observed the particles move through either one slit or the other to make a particle pattern. But when not observed a single particle passes through both and neither at the same time and makes a wave interference pattern. This shows that reality is made up of potentials.

Stubbing your toe on a table or walking backwards into a wall doesn't mean those things don't exist just because you're not looking at them. Conscious observation does not create reality. We exist within the physical reality, we are subject to its laws and what not. Particles in the atomic world behave differently and are influenced by a conscious observer, so mind is the fundamental reality and can influence matter.

Perhaps gods or goddesses which have raised their kundalini and obtained godhood can make reality with their own minds, but I don't think the consciousness of a human being is that powerful or advanced. The double slit experiment shows only that such a thing could be possible.
I also have another similar question. Matt McKinley and Howdie Mickoski keep saying that expectations create reality, so that when you are in the afterlife state, you will see what you expect. They also say that "thoughts create your reality" too of course, which all New Agers pontificate universally. But if that's so then:

1. How come people don't make money in the stock market or in casinos merely by expecting to?
2. How come Amelia Earhart didn't make the last leg of her journey even though she expected to and was brave and confident?
3. How come the Titanic sunk even though everyone expected it was unsinkable?
4. How come disappointment exists when it shouldn't? How come most things end up in disappointment even when you are optimistic and hopeful?
Etc. Etc.

Again, this is a simple question, so how come no one dares to ask or answer these questions? No one on YouTube brings them up, and no one on Coast to Coast AM does either, even though these are obvious questions. How can that be? Very baffling. How do I see obvious things that everyone else is blind to? It makes me wonder if this is some bardo state and everyone else is unreal? I sent these questions to Matt and Howdie before but they always run away in fear and have no answer. I've been wondering about these things since the 1990s but everyone is afraid of simple questions that debunk their delusions and erroneous premises it seems.

Do you have any answers? Can I finally get some answers and explanations?

Winston
To answer these questions simply: expectations have no influence over reality and we do not create reality with our minds. The reality already exists and we are part of the creation, not the architects of Creation.

1. Because reality doesn't give a shit about people's expectations. A New Ager might win at a casino and them attribute this win to him expecting to win or whatever. But it is just chance.

2. Because she was unlucky.

3. Don't people build all boats with the assumption that they won't sink? Just goes to show that the word "assumption" has "ass" in it for a reason...

4. Because life does not adhere to the wishes and whims of humanity. We are simply at the mercy of the current of life and shouldn't try to swim against it.

In conclusion. The Secret, or the idea that a single conscious mind is powerful enough to write their own destiny is a load of hogwash. This is akin to Christians saying they found their perfect lover because they prayed gard enough to Jesus Christ, and then people's prayers are ignored who are starving and dying of diseases and desperately praying for a miracle. Reality doesn't work ike that.
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What do you guys think of the Law of Vibration? See below.



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More videos on the Law of Vibration.



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Comments I posted under the videos above:

Question for those who believe thoughts/beliefs create reality: How come everyone believed the Titanic was unsinkable but they were wrong? How come Amelia Earhart's belief that she would make the last leg of her journey didn't come true? How come you can't win in casinos or the stock market by believing you will? Why does disappointment exist if you can make whatever you want come true with your thoughts? These are simple questions yet New Agers always run away from them in fear. Why? Why does simple questions debunk everyone? Is everyone delusional and illogical?

Why can't that old guy in this video use his thoughts to reverse his aging and make himself young again? Same question for Bruce Lipton. Why can't he regrow his hair using his thoughts? LOL
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Winston wrote:
June 10th, 2010, 9:10 am
Hi all,
I just uploaded my video rant and critique of "The Secret" and Law of Attraction, which teaches that whatever you think about will manifest, but takes it to the extreme.

Here it is.



Here is my article debunking the Law of Attraction.

http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/LawofAttraction.htm
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The Law of Attraction is such bullshit! The fact that this lie is being peddled by these slapstick hippy dippy New Age bumpkins just infuriates me. I remember hearing about The Secret and feeling intrigued as to what it was and then feeling immense disappointment when I realised the so-called Secret was just wanting something really bad that it magically came true just because you wanted it bad enough!

Don't you think starving people around the world really REALLY want to have a sandwich? Or lonely people really REALLY want someone to love? Isn't this proof The Secret is bullshit! Plus @Winston's observations are pretty accurate as well. Things several people wanted or believed didn't happen.

The Secret is a lie pushed by assholes who have obtained success and wealth and then attribute said success to some mystical "secret" when in reality its probably because they come from wealthy families or married into wealth. The Secret is the biggest pile of garbage I've ever heard in my life.
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BS law of attraction video below about how if you just think positive then you attractive positive outcomes. lol



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Erekteus, if thoughts create reality, then why can't you go into a casino and win by expecting to? Or win in the stock market by expecting to? If it was that easy everyone would be in their own paradise, if thoughts could really create reality. And disappointment wouldn't exist if thoughts created reality, as even children know. See how easy it is to debunk this with basic logic, common sense, and everyday experiences?
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Is this true that if you visualize what you want then the quanum field will manifest it into your life? lol. Gee that sounds so easy. Does this actually work for some people? Maybe if the universe isn't against you then it works better for you?



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If we could create our own reality then everyone would live in their own utopia and disappointment wouldn't exist. Duh. This goes contrary to everyday experiences and common sense and basic logic. We do not all have the power of Q from Star Trek who can manifest anything he wants instantly with godlike powers. You folks are delusional. Delusion doesn't make something true. Sorry. The law of attraction is super easy to debunk with basic logic and common sense and everyday experiences.

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Sorry but believing in something doesn't make it true. Everyone believed the Titanic was unsinkable but that didn't make it true. Amelia Earhart believed she would make the last leg of her journey too, but she didn't. Why don't you try going into a Vegas casino believing you will win the jackpot and see if that works? LMAO! LOL. This is so stupid and low IQ. Below average. If this was true then disappointment wouldn't exist. Duh. Even children know that most expectations turn into disappointment. Duh.

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4:27 we don’t have to wait for our desires to manifest. If you believe that it will take time. It will instantly manifest because you see that you have to wait a period for it to manifest. So if we would get rid of the idea that we have to wait until it show up in the 3D, your desires will manifest faster. I’ve tried it differently and it worked. But you gotta know it deep down that you don’t have to wait for it.

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Why don't you go to the casino and see if you can manifest a jackpost win using the law of attraction? lol. LMAO. This is so low IQ. How can anyone believe it? If we could create our own reality everyone would be living in their own utopia. Come on.
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