Intelligent Design Disproves Evolution and Atheism

[Pinayhunter]

Some farmer with supposedly the highest tested IQ in the world believes in intelligent design. He claims to have proven God using logic and math. He’s also had divine experiences, including NDE’s.

Here are two short clips in which he discusses his theory. In the former, he describes God’s purpose for us. In the latter, he talks about how all men are related on some metaphysical level:





Basically, from what I understand, God splits Himself into packets of subjective consciousness (us) in order to constantly evolve and strengthen his identity. After death, our personal identity either remains intact (heaven) or gets dissolved and recycled (hell), based on what kind of life we lead here on Earth.

The theory’s perfectly consistent with Christian scripture, interestingly enough. However it’s more comprehensive and allows for other possibilities such as reincarnation and multiple messiahs.

I recommend reading his 56-page paper, as he goes into a lot more depth. The writing’s quite esoteric but very insightful if you have the patience to plod through it.

Thoughts?

[Winston]

A big Wikipedia article on the counterarguments against Evolution and the problems with it that skeptics cite. Pretty impressive list. I'm surprised Wikipedia would have such a list of arguments against Evolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objections_to_evolution

[Winston]

The cosmic fine tuning argument is a chief argument that proves the universe is intelligently designed and tuned for life on a knife edge of many variables. This is a thorn in the side of atheists, and the only thing they can do to run away from it is to make up the multi-universe theory, which is ad hoc and a pathetic desperate attempt to hide from God/Creator. See below for what the fine tuning argument is about and why atheists fear it and hate it so much, because they cannot escape it or explain it away and it doesn't fit into their anti-God bias of course. These are episodes from Closer to Truth with Robert Kuhn.

[Winston]

Can Design Point to God? | Episode 1404 | Closer To Truth

What is the teleological argument, also known as the argument from design? To argue for God, the easy way appears to be ‘design’, the obvious order and apparent purpose of the world. How could all of this be if there were no God? Quite easily, says science. What’s the deep thinking on both sides? Featuring interviews with Owen Gingerich, Ernan McMullin, Colin McGinn, and Paul Davies.

[Winston]

Interesting ebooks about how intelligent design in the universe and biology proves the existence of God unequivocably.

https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=17462278

God vs. Darwin: The Logical Supremacy of Intelligent Design Creationism Over Evolution - M S King epub/mobi

Ever since its inception, the edifice of Evolutionary Darwinism has rested upon a foundation of sand, propped up solely by media hype, public ignorance and extreme intellectual bullying. With the release of 'God vs Darwin: The Logical Supremacy of Intelligent Design Creationism over Evolution', the bullies have met their match in the person of investigative author, M. S. King. In clear, concise and very easy to digest language, 'God vs Darwin' utilizes the basic rules of Socratic reason and logic to inquisitively press upon the multiple weak spots and classic logical fallacies of what King refers to as 'Unscientific Atheism.' Unique, informative, funny, well-researched and packed with illustrations, King's 'idiot-proof' devastation of 'Theoretical Science' will have the Unscientific Atheists scurrying back under the slimy rocks from which they believe our distant grandmothers slithered out from under. Most unique about King's work is the exposure of the bizarre psychological and political factors which served to enthrone Darwin as a false King.

https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=18111411

By Design: Evidence for Nature's Intelligent designer - Dr. Jonathan Sarfati epub/mobi

Dr Jonathan Sarfati presents case after case for amazing design in the living world, and demolishes theories of chemical evolution of the first life. He refutes many anti-design arguments, and answer the key question: ‘Who is the Designer?’

https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=17834719

The Design Revolution: Answering the Toughest Questions About Intelligent Design - William A. Dembski epub/mobi

What exactly is the Design Revolution? Today scientists, mathematicians and philosophers in the intelligent design movement are challenging a certain view of science--one that limits its investigations and procedures to purely law-like and mechanical explanations. They charge that there is no scientific reason to exclude the consideration of intelligence, agency and purpose from truly scientific research. In fact, they say, the practice of science often does already include these factors! As the intelligent design movement has gained momentum, questions have naturally arisen to challenge its provocative claims. In this book William A. Dembski rises to the occasion clearly and concisely answering the most vexing questions posed to the intelligent design program. Writing with nonexperts in mind, Dembski responds to more than sixty questions asked by experts and nonexperts alike who have attended his many public lectures, as well as objections raised in written reviews. The Design Revolution has begun. Its success depends on how well it answers the questions of its detractors. Read this book and you'll have a good idea of the prospects and challenges facing this revolution in scientific thinking.

https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=17361109

Intelligent Design Uncensored: An Easy-to-Understand Guide to the Controversy - William A. Dembski, Jonathan Witt

What is ID? Why is it controversial? Intelligent design is surrounded by a storm of debate. Proponents and opponents have both sought to have their voices heard above the din. Is it unscientific? Is it a danger to real Christian faith? Is it trying to smuggle God into the classroom? Controversy can create confusion rather than clarity. So here to clear things up is Bill Dembski, one of the founders of intelligent design, who joins with Jonathan Witt to answer these questions and more. They plainly lay out just what intelligent design is and is not. They answer objections with straight talk that is down to earth. You'll be surprised at how often smart people have misrepresented ID. You might be surprised to see exactly how they respond to what turns out to be misleading arguments. Here is the book to make you intelligent about the whole fuss!

https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=19859673

Darwin Strikes Back: Defending the Science of Intelligent Design - Thomas Woodward epub/mobi

The debate between proponents of Darwinism and those of Intelligent Design has reached the status of a full-scale public battle. With stories of qualifying statements about evolution in public school textbooks and the recent 70th anniversary of the Scopes Monkey trial in the news, the question about our origins will not be put to rest. Following up his award-winning Doubts about Darwin, Thomas Woodward traces the continuing saga of the ID movement in Darwin Strikes Back. Focusing on the emerging key players on both sides--Michael Behe, William Dembski, Kenneth Miller, Robert Pennock, and more--Woodward helps readers navigate the tangled maze of public debate.

https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=19310479

Four Views on Creation, Evolution, and Intelligent Design - J.B. Stump (Editor)

Four Views on Creation, Evolution, and Intelligent Design presents the current "state of the conversation" about origins among evangelicals representing four key positions:

Young Earth Creationism - Ken Ham (Answers in Genesis)
Old Earth (Progressive) Creationism - Hugh Ross (Reasons to Believe)
Evolutionary Creation - Deborah B. Haarsma (BioLogos)
Intelligent Design - Stephen C. Meyer (The Discovery Institute)

The contributors offer their best defense of their position addressing questions such as: What is your position on origins - understood broadly to include the physical universe, life, and human beings in particular? What do you take to be the most persuasive arguments in defense of your position? How do you demarcate and correlate evidence about origins from current science and from divine revelation? What hinges on answering these questions correctly?

[Winston]

Collection of PDF's about intelligent design.

https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=36199904

Caton - “Getting Our History Right; Six Errors about Darwin and His Influence”, Evolutionary Psychology, 5(1) (2007).pdf88.77 KiB
Rampino - “Darwin's error; Patrick Matthew and the catastrophic nature of the geologic record”, Historical Biology (2011).pdf92.38 KiB
Famularo - The Crazy Theories of Evolution (2011).epub184.43 KiB
Mitchell et al - “Sexual selection is not the origin of long necks in giraffes”, J. Zoology, 278(4), 2009.pdf256.57 KiB
Mallet - “Why was Darwin’s view of species rejected by twentieth century biologists”, Biol Philos (2010).pdf343.03 KiB
Depew - “Darwinian Controversies; An Historiographical Recounting”, Sci & Educ (2009).pdf377.11 KiB
Pal - “Some Reflections on God and Science”, Sci God J, 1(7), 2010..pdf430.12 KiB
Buell & Hearn (Eds.) - Darwinism; Science or Philosophy, Proc. Symp. Darwinism; Scientific Inference or Philosophical Preference (1992).pdf502.27 KiB
Smith - “Why Natural Selection Cannot Explain Biological Evolution”, Sci God J, 1(8), 2010..pdf527.78 KiB
Spetner - The Evolution Revolution; Why Thinking People Are Rethinking the Theory of Evolution (2014).epub583.71 KiB
Dembski - Rebuttal to Reports by Opposing Expert Witnesses (2005).pdf711.12 KiB
Harel - “When Darwin Flopped; the Rejection of Sexual Selection”, Sexuality & Culture (Jan 2001).pdf789.28 KiB
Bergman - Fossil Forensics; Separating Fact from Fantasy in Paleontology (2017).epub818.19 KiB
Bibliographic and Annotated List of Peer-Reviewed Publications Supporting Intelligent Design (2017).pdf1.21 MiB
Smetham - “Why Materialists’ Evolution Is False & Quantum Platonic Evolution Is True”, Sci God J, 4(6), 2013..pdf1.21 MiB
Guliuzza - Twenty Evolutionary Blunders. Dangers and Difficulties of Darwinian Thinking (2017).pdf1.48 MiB
Allchin - “Celebrating Darwin's Errors; How should We mark the Darwin Bicentennial”, Am. Biol. Teacher (Feb 2009).pdf1.65 MiB
Jeffrey - Creation; Remarkable Evidence of God's Design (2003).epub1.71 MiB
Plantinga - Warrant and Proper Function (1993).djvu2.02 MiB
Leisola & Witt - Heretic. One Scientist’s Journey from Darwin to Design (2018).epub2.65 MiB
Weiner - The Piltdown Forgery (2003).epub3.08 MiB
Popov - Orthogenesis versus Darwinism (2018).pdf3.74 MiB
Delisle - Charles Darwin’s Incomplete Revolution (2019).pdf3.77 MiB
Yilmaz - Deliver Us from Evolution; a Christian Biologist’s In-Depth Look at the Evidence Reveals a Surprising Harmony between Science and God (2016).pdf4.26 MiB
Stannard - The Divine Imprint. Finding God in the Human Mind (2017).epub4.41 MiB
Koonin - The Logic of Chance; the Nature and Origin of Biological Evolution (2012).pdf4.56 MiB
Mazur - The Origin of Life Circus; a How to Make Life Extravaganza (2014).epub5 MiB
Ludwig & Welch - “Darwin’s Other Dilemmas and the Theoretical Roots of Emotional Connection”, Frontiers in Psychology, 12 Apr 2019..pdf5.12 MiB
Behe - Darwin Devolves. The New Science About DNA That Challenges Evolution (2019).epub5.42 MiB
Walls & Dougherty (Eds.) - Two Dozen (or so) Arguments for God. The Plantinga Project (2018).pdf13.15 MiB
Jeanson - Replacing Darwin; the New Origin of Species (2017).epub13.75 MiB
Mlodinow - The Upright Thinkers; the Human Journey from Living in Trees to Understanding the Cosmos (2015).epub13.92 MiB
Rigney - Darwin’s Challenge Answered; Darwin’s Theory as Darwin Stated, “absolutely breaks down” (2017).epub15.27 MiB
Layzer - Cosmogenesis; the Growth of Order in the Universe (1990).pdf20.48 MiB
Lonnig - The Evolution of the Long-Necked Giraffe. What Do We Really Know. Testing the Theories of Gradualism, Macromutation, and ID (2011).pdf20.75 MiB

[Winston]

@Ghost if you see this, this is for you. JP Moreland, a great Christian apologist and lecturer, explains why Theistic Evolution (which you said you believe in) contains an inescapable contradiction. This is a short video.

[Winston]

Some full lectures about Theistic Evolution by Dr. Stephen Meyer, the top expert in Intelligent Design.

In short, Theistic Evolution is a contradiction in terms and is self-refuting, because if Evolution is guided by God, then it's intelligent design. But if it's an unguided process, then God isn't involved. You can't have it both ways.

[Winston]

Great intelligent design documentary about the bacteria flagellan and how it MUST have been designed intelligently. Must see for anyone seeking God!



As we know, random changes and unguided natural processes routinely succeed in assembling functional equipment for a range of uses. Wait…it doesn’t work that way?

The Revolutionary Behe website, at http://revolutionarybehe.com/, features more information about Dr. Behe’s research, other molecular machines, and evidence for intelligent design, and the stories of revolutionary scientists changing the evolutionary paradigm. See the documentary now and pass it along!

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http://www.intelligentdesign.org/

[Winston]

You guys will love this talk by Dr. Frank Turek about intelligent design and evolution. It contains a lot of powerful arguments and reasoning about why all the data fit theism and not atheism. Brilliant points! The guy in the audience with the glasses makes a lot of good points. I think this is a seminary class it looks like.



One of the students made a good point I didnt hear before about why theists are more open and expansive than atheists. He said:

"The theist is allowed to consider both the materialist solution and the theistic solution and go where the evidence leads. In contrast the atheist paradigm MUST only come to a materialist conclusion at all costs. He is NOT allowed to follow the evidence to where it may lead. Therefore theists are more open minded and expansive."

Thats a great point. Everyone should hear that and consider it.

Btw this theist and apologist JP Moreland is also very intelligent and informative makes sense. In this speech below he gives 5 irrefutable reasons why evolution and the blind watchmaker hypothesis is impossible and unworkable.



Atheists like @Contrarian Expatriate needs to see that. It will for sure change their beliefs on evolution and atheism. Guaranteed. Its so powerful and logical and irrefutable.

Also, this is a great point that even if evolution were true, God must still exist. Every atheist needs to hear this. Because they are checkmated from every angle and need to change their outdated disproven paradigm.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

Atheists like @Contrarian Expatriate needs to see that. It will for sure change their beliefs on evolution and atheism. Guaranteed. Its so powerful and logical and irrefutable.

Really? Most atheists are absolute morons.

And so are people who assume others are atheists simply because they find Christians and Christianity to be foolish. By the way, some of us are still waiting for you to PROVE that god exists. Let me help you. You can't!

[hypermak]

Really... Most atheists are absolute morons.

And so are people who assume others are atheists simply because they decry Christian stupidity.

LOL, do you actually have a category of society you don't hate? It's always you vs the world. How sad is that...

[Yohan]

By the way, some of us are still waiting for you to PROVE that god exists. Let me help you. You can't!

Nobody can PROVE that a God does exist.

Even if a God does exist, there is NO PROOF that any human has a soul and we will continue to 'live' somehow after death.

Even Christian groups doubt that, not sure about 'afterlife'. The Jehovah Witnesses - despite or because of their intensive Bible Studies - think a soul can die after the death of the body to where it belongs.

Religions not related to the Bible, like Buddhism, doubt if a soul has any form of consciousness, at least for a 'while' but for how long?
Some Buddhist groups consider a dead person before cremation to be a 'ghost' and after cremation to be on a 'journey' to find 'peace' and might return or transferred to a different form of life, if these 'souls' cannot find 'peace'...

Without 'afterlive' why should I even care about if a God exists or not...This is my question, but so far no answer ....

If a religious bigot is approach me, it's frequently somebody from USA (like Mormons) or from Korea (like Jehovah Witnesses) or if the person is a Japanese, he might be a member of Nichiren Buddhism or Ma-hikari Shinto and everybody tells me something differently about God and afterlife - BUT wants to save me...

The funny point of all these religions is however, that they all fight against each other, accusing their belivers they worship a wrong God and should convert and repent....

About 'intelligent design', humans are not a product of a very 'intelligent design' - the human body has plenty of weak points. Also the behavior of humans does not convince me that they are made of 'intelligent design'.

[Winston]

Atheists like @Contrarian Expatriate needs to see that. It will for sure change their beliefs on evolution and atheism. Guaranteed. Its so powerful and logical and irrefutable.

Really? Most atheists are absolute morons.

And so are people who assume others are atheists simply because they find Christians and Christianity to be foolish. By the way, some of us are still waiting for you to PROVE that god exists. Let me help you. You can't!

Why do you say atheists are morons? You are one too right? If not, why do you say there's no proof that God exists? Make up your mind, are you an atheist or theist? If you watch the videos I just posted above, they will PROVE that this world and biological organisms, including humans, MUST have been intelligently designed. Isn't that proof of God? Maybe not in the traditional Christian sense, but it does prove an intelligent architect of the universe for sure. Isn't that proof of God to you? Why or why not?

Note: Please watch the above videos I posted, and you will agree for sure that intelligent design disproves macro evolution and the blind watchmaking hypothesis. 100 percent. Case closed. Atheists are in denial about this.

You said you find Christianity to be foolish. Well fine, but it's a man made religion. Just because it's foolish doesn't mean that no God exists. Agreed?

Here are 7 strong philosophical arguments for God. Can you rebut any of them? Are you even familiar with them? If not, then you lack education in Theology 101 and you need to get educated, so you can weight arguments on both sides and come up with an informed opinion. Please watch this. No excuses.

[Winston]

By the way, some of us are still waiting for you to PROVE that god exists. Let me help you. You can't!

Nobody can PROVE that a God does exist.

Even if a God does exist, there is NO PROOF that any human has a soul and we will continue to 'live' somehow after death.

Even Christian groups doubt that, not sure about 'afterlife'. The Jehovah Witnesses - despite or because of their intensive Bible Studies - think a soul can die after the death of the body to where it belongs.

Religions not related to the Bible, like Buddhism, doubt if a soul has any form of consciousness, at least for a 'while' but for how long?
Some Buddhist groups consider a dead person before cremation to be a 'ghost' and after cremation to be on a 'journey' to find 'peace' and might return or transferred to a different form of life, if these 'souls' cannot find 'peace'...

Without 'afterlive' why should I even care about if a God exists or not...This is my question, but so far no answer ....

If a religious bigot is approach me, it's frequently somebody from USA (like Mormons) or from Korea (like Jehovah Witnesses) or if the person is a Japanese, he might be a member of Nichiren Buddhism or Ma-hikari Shinto and everybody tells me something differently about God and afterlife - BUT wants to save me...

The funny point of all these religions is however, that they all fight against each other, accusing their belivers they worship a wrong God and should convert and repent....

About 'intelligent design', humans are not a product of a very 'intelligent design' - the human body has plenty of weak points. Also the behavior of humans does not convince me that they are made of 'intelligent design'.

Doesn't intelligent design prove that God exists? If not, why not? Is your computer perfect? Does it lag and freeze sometimes? If so does that mean your computer was created by random chance and not by intelligent design? LOL. Gotcha!

If you want proof in the form of God coming to your front door and introducing himself to you, then no, you won't find that kind of proof. However, just because I never met Henry Ford doesn't mean he never existed. The existence of cars proves his existence. Also, many people have seen God in visions, and during their Ayahuasca retreats.

Btw, did you know that after Francis Cricke died, it came out that he discovered DNA during an LSD trip? He didn't want that known before because it would damage his career. Also, the man who invented the piano said that the idea came to him in a dream. So hallucinations and visions can sometimes lead to truth.

Btw, if you watch the video above by Dr. William Lane Craig, he does present 7 strong logical arguments for God's existence. That is proof in a sense. Please watch it and see that your statements are false.

Asking an atheist to find evidence of God's existence is like asking a thief to find a policeman. They simply don't want proof. So they keep saying there's no proof. They don't want there to be proof and they won't look for it too. That's not very honest.

No proof of the soul? What about NDE's, ghosts, spirits, visitations from dead relatives, etc? What about veridical perception while out of body? See this video below if you don't understand what veridical perception means.



Also what about the dozen categories of proof of the soul here in this presentation by Dr. Bruce Greyson?



Also, what about all the compelling cases of reincarnation that can't be explained? Have you heard of Dr. Ian Stevenson? He published a lot of work about that. It's never been refuted. Even the science magazine Scientific American said that he may be right. You can't just ignore that just because it doesn't fit your paradigm. They do exist. How do you explain them? You can't right? So you may be wrong right?

Why don't you consider all that? Is it because you don't want there to be evidence for the soul? So you don't even bother looking at evidence when it's presented? We've gone over this before. Why do you keep ignoring all this? Strange. Illogical.

How do you explain human consciousness? Evolution can't explain. Complex brains can't explain it. Atheism has no explanation for it except to say it's an illusion.

Yes the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that if you die unsaved then your soul gets extinguished. But they believe that the soul of the saved do go to heaven. But the heaven is on Earth first during the 1000 year reign of Christ. However, most Christian groups believe the soul is eternal.

Buddhists don't believe in the Christian version of the soul. But they do believe in reincarnation. How does that work then?

You said: "Without 'afterlive' why should I even care about if a God exists or not...This is my question, but so far no answer ...."

But I did give you an answer, that there is evidence of the soul and afterlife. You just keep ignoring it and erasing it like erasing the info on a chalkboard with an eraser. Your fault, not mine.

Just because intelligent design is not perfect doesn't mean it's random. That's like saying that because my computer is not perfect means it was created by random forces without purpose. A thing doesn't have to be perfect for it to be designed. That's a typical atheist fallacy. Either God is perfect, or he doesn't exist. Strange dichotomy. It's like the powers that be want you to be either an extreme religious fanatic or an extreme atheist. Neither extreme makes sense. The truth is somewhere in the middle. So why do you take an extreme view when you know the truth does not lie in any extreme?