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Why the Bible teaches a Salvation by WORKS, NOT by Faith Alone!

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Re: Why Biblical Salvation is by WORKS and Grace, NOT Grace Alone!

Post by Adama » June 8th, 2018, 7:49 pm

Winston wrote:
June 8th, 2018, 5:30 pm
Adama wrote:
June 8th, 2018, 5:03 pm
Winston wrote:
June 8th, 2018, 11:54 am
Funny quotes by Mark Twain about heaven.

"Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in."
- Mark Twain, a Biography
Twain just said salvation is free. Grace means unmerited favor, meaning it is unearned. Merit means it is earned. Favor = grace = free = gift. Merit = earnings = work.
No Twain was saying that Salvation is by FAVOR, which means God has to like you, just like a woman or friend has to like you. It's subjective and based on his or her opinion. That makes sense. Why would God be a machine that treats everyone equally? Equality doesn't exist anywhere in science, nature or reality. It's a concept that low class people want to believe in to elevate themselves. And a weapon that dangerous communists and socialists use to push their agenda for a NWO.

Mark Twain was not a Christian or believer. If you read his works, you'd know that. He was a deist, just like the founding fathers were. His treatise "Letters from the Earth" indicate that he was very highly critical of Christianity.
Grace is unmerited favor; unearned favor, also known as a gift, and it is free, as in unmerited. Works are earnings. If a person is going to pay for their salvation by doing good work, then salvation is no longer free, but earned. Now if grace means free gift, they've just lost out, because they're trying to earn their way to heaven. They might as well start building a staircase to heaven, because there is no hope in salvation by works.

Not only must the works be perfect from time going forward, but also retroactively from the day of birth. Also, the commandments are deep and numerous. Even if the person thought he knew all of them, because of the inherent fallibility of man, it doesn't mean he can keep all of them his whole life.

Work salvation is a major deception, and a snare. Salvation by faith and works is also impossible. It's one or it's the other. If a person trusts in works, they are trying to earn salvation, when salvation is by grace, meaning it is by the free gift of God through faith in Christ.
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Re: Why the Bible teaches a Salvation by WORKS, NOT by Faith Alone!

Post by Winston » November 24th, 2018, 7:13 pm

Why the sinner's prayer and Biblical inerrancy doctrines are American inventions, NOT part of traditional Christianity.

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Re: Why the Bible teaches a Salvation by WORKS, NOT by Faith Alone!

Post by Neo » November 26th, 2018, 8:26 am

Some more verses that show that salvation is without works (outside the commandments):

Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Only Christ can be justified by the law, or specifically by keeping the law, which is part of the reason He came into the world. He's the only one who can keep all the commandments. God requires perfect obedience for salvation by the law (also known as "works"). That's why everyone else comes short of salvation by the law. It is impossible for everyone except Christ. And yes it is 100% perfection, which is why no man can be justified by keeping the law. It is too high for humans to attain without Christ.

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Re: Why the Bible teaches a Salvation by WORKS, NOT by Faith Alone!

Post by Neo » November 26th, 2018, 8:45 am

As for salvation by works and by faith (grace), works means keeping the commandments. If the person is trusting in Christ + keeping the commandments for their salvation, their (supposed) faith in Christ is not counted by God, because they have not put their full trust in Jesus as the Messiah to save them. He was manifested to save the world. They are trusting in their own works (keeping the commandments).

If a person could simply keep the commandments to get to heaven, there'd have been no need for a Messiah. These people are trusting in their own abilities by keeping the commandments. Because of this, they have (unknowingly) chosen to be judged by their works, which means they will be condemned. Anyone who is judged by their works will be condemned, because only Christ can be justified by works because only He is able to complete and fulfill all the commandments.

Salvation is by faith in Christ alone. Anyone adding works to their faith might as well just omit their faith. Essentially anyone who is saved by any combination of works has made himself or herself their own messiah (because it is the messiah's job to save), because they are saying their works save them; or they have made themselves co-equals with Christ, which is not going to work out for them at judgment.

The commandments must be kept, and good works must be done. The difference is, to be saved, the person must not trust in their works for salvation. Salvation is by faith alone. Keeping the commandments is not about getting saved. It is about pleasing God.

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Re: Why Biblical Salvation is by WORKS and Faith via Grace, NOT Faith Alone!

Post by Neo » November 26th, 2018, 6:45 pm

TruthSeeker wrote:
June 8th, 2018, 5:07 pm
You guys are going around in circles.

If someone believes in Jesus Christ they are saved.

If someone believes in Jesus Christ + works they are still saved because they believe on Jesus Christ.

Case closed.
Ironically, although for some reason you don't know it, you've stated that all a person must do to be saved is to believe in Jesus Christ. For some reason you think works are in the equation, when you yourself manage to state that salvation is by believing in Christ at the end of the equation.

"because they believe on Jesus Christ".

All a person has to do is believe in Christ. A person who believes in works + Christ has not put their complete trust in Christ. This person has turned himself into a co-equal saviour/messiah/Christ of himself, by trusting in his own works and his own righteousness, rather than simply putting their trust on Christ and His complete works.

Works are not for salvation. Keeping the commandments is to please God. Believing in Christ brings salvation.

Anyone who trusts in their own works, will be judged by their works. Anyone judged by their works will be condemned.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

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Re: Why Biblical Salvation is by WORKS and Faith via Grace, NOT Faith Alone!

Post by Neo » June 12th, 2019, 4:24 am

Winston wrote:
June 8th, 2018, 4:46 pm

True. But that applies to YOU too. Agreed? And to other fundamentalists as well.

Ignoring 40 Bible verses that don't agree with you doesn't erase them or make them go away. Agreed?
How about 112?

The Bible is clear that salvation is by faith alone in Jesus Christ!
1. Genesis 15:6: “And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.”
2. Habakkuk 2:4: “Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.”
3. Mark 1:15: “And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”

4. Mark 16:16: “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
5. Luke 8:12: “Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.”
6. Luke 7:50: “And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
7. Luke 8:12: “Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.”

8. John 1:12: “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:”
9. John 3:(14,)15: “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.“
10. John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
11. John 3:18: “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”

12. John 3:36: “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
13. John 5:24: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
14. John 6:35: “And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.”
15. John 6:40: “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. “
16. John 6:47: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”
17. John 7:38: “He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.”
18. John 8:24: “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”

19. John 11:25: “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:”
20. John 11:26: “And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
21. John 12:46: “I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.”
22. John 16:27: “For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.”
23. John 20:31: “But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”
24. Acts 2:21: “And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
25. Acts 5:14: “And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)”
26. Acts 8:12: “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”

27. Acts 8:13: “Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.”
28. Acts 8:37 (8:35-38): “Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
29. Acts 10:43: “To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
30. Acts 11:17,18: “Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.”

31. Acts 11:21: “And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord.”
32. Acts 13:39: “And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.”
33. Acts 13:48: “And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.”
34. Acts 15:7-9: “And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; and put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.”
35. Acts 16:31: “And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”
36. Acts 18:8: “And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.”

37. Acts 22:16: “And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.”
38. Acts 26:18: “To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.”
39. Romans 1:16: “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
40. Romans 1:17: “For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.”
41. Romans 3:22a: “Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:”
42. Romans 3:25: “Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”

43. Romans 3:26: “To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
44. Romans 3:28: “Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.”
45. Romans 3:30: “Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.”
46. Romans 4:3: “For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.”
47. Romans 4:5: “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
48. Romans 4:9: “Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.”
49. Romans 4:11: “And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:”

50. Romans 4:13: “For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.”
51. Romans 4:16,17: “Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.”
52. Romans 4:18-22: “Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah’s womb: he staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; and being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.”
53. Romans 5:1: “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:”
54. Romans 5:2: “By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.”

55. Romans 4:20-25: “He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; and being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; but for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.”
56. Romans 9:30: “What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.”
57. Romans 9:32,33: “Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; as it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.”
58. Romans 10:4: “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”
59. Romans 10:6a: “But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise…”
60. Romans 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”

61. Romans 10:10: “For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”
62. Romans 10:11: “For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.”
63. Romans 10:13: “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
64. Romans 10:14-17: “How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”

65. Romans 11:20: “Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:”
66. 1 Corinthians 1:21: “For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.”
67. 1 Corinthians 15:2: “By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.”
68. 1 Corinthians 15:17: “And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.”
69. 2 Corinthians 4:4: “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
70. 2 Corinthians 6:14: “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?”

71. 2 Corinthians 6:15: “And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?”
72. Galatians 2:16: “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.”
73. Galatians 2:20: “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.”
74. Galatians 3:6,7: “Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.”
75. Galatians 3:8: “And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.”
76. Galatians 3:11: “But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.”

77. Galatians 3:14: “That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”
78. Galatians 3:22: “But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.”
79. Galatians 3:24: “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.”
80. Galatians 3:26: “For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.”
81. Galatians 5:5: “For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.”
82. Ephesians 1:13: “In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”
83. Ephesians 1:19: “And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,”
84. Ephesians 2:8,9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.”

85. Philippians 3:9: “And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:”
86. Colossians 1:4,5: “Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints, for the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, wherefore ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;”
87. Colossians 2:12: “Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”
88. 1 Thessalonians 2:13: “For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.”
89. 2 Thessalonians 1:10: “When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.”

90. 2 Thessalonians 2:12: “That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
91. 1 Timothy 1:16: “Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.”
92. 1 Timothy 4:10: “For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.”
93. 2 Timothy 3:15: “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.”
94. Hebrews 3:18: “And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?”
95. Hebrews 4:2: “For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.”

96. Hebrews 4:3a: “For we which have believed do enter into rest…”
97. Hebrews 11:7: “By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
98. Hebrews 11:31: “By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.”
99. Hebrews 10:38: “Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.”
100. Hebrews 10:39: “But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.”

101. Hebrews 11:6: “But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”
102. James 2:5: “Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?”
103. James 2:23: “And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.”
104. 1 Peter 1:5: “Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.”
105. 1 Peter 1:9: “Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.”

106. 1 Peter 1:18-21: “Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.”1 Peter 2:6: “Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.”
107. 1 Peter 2:7: “Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,”
108. 1 John 5:1a: “Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God…”

109. 1 John 5:4: “For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.”
110. 1 John 5:5: “Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?”
111. 1 John 5:10: “He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.”
112. 1 John 5:13: “These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.”

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Re: Why the Bible teaches a Salvation by WORKS, NOT by Faith Alone!

Post by Pinayhunter » June 23rd, 2019, 7:31 pm

Don’t take anything I say as doctrine. This is just my current understanding, which could be wrong. I wouldn’t want to be accursed for preaching a false gospel.

As far as I can tell, it’s faith alone that saves us. Once we’re saved, God will punish and reward us based on our obedience. Stick with the KJV, and this position is hard to refute.

The word “repent” has nothing to do with sin. In Genesis, it says it “repented” God that he’d made man. Does that mean God turned away from sin? I don’t think so. Sounds like He had a change of mind.

The story of Cain and Abel clearly alludes to what it takes to be saved - as do Noah’s ark, Abraham’s sacrifice, and the Passover.

This Gabriel guy might be right about 2028, but that doesn’t mean he’s right about everything.
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Re: Why the Bible teaches a Salvation by WORKS, NOT by Faith Alone!

Post by Neo » June 23rd, 2019, 7:39 pm

Exactly. There are two definitions of the word repent. One is to turn from sin. The other is a change of mind.

Salvation by repentance means for the person to change their mind, because if it means to turn from sin, that defeats the whole believe and be saved that is preached by Christ Himself, and the without works clause taught by Paul.

In addition, the work of Christ is complete. To say that we must repent from sin for eternal salvation, means we are trusting in our own works, which really means we are not trusting completely on Christ, inferring that His works must be incomplete. It makes the person his or her own saviour and redeemer to trust in repentance from sin. If salvation came from keeping the law, then there would have been no need for Christ. But salvation cannot come by the law, because only Christ can keep the law to absolute perfection. To be saved by the law a person would have to be God. Therefore it must be by faith. (Besides that, the meaning of the law is far deeper than most people are able to recognize.)

And if we had to do works to be saved, that would mean it is not free and that it is not a gift. However, salvation is free and it is a gift.

Christians must repent from sin, but that is not involved in eternal salvation. It is an entirely different matter.

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