The Judaist Problem

[droid]

What a bunch of deflections Contrarian, why even quote me lol.

Of course jews have to be smarter for this to be an issue, nobody is disputing that. Do you see people complaining about Asian-American subterfurge, depravity, discrimination, tribalism, and pushing of bizarre ideologies and policies? Of course, people just choose to "randomly" hate the jews.
As far as blacks go they may or may not have a point, but you're using it as a cop out here. All I will say is that whites are 70% of the population vs 10% blacks so it's an entirely different dynamic.

It's tribal cohesion and nepotism at best.
Also, the wealthy doctor Jews aren't the ones that people dislike. It's the elitist globalists.

In a nutshell.

Just as there are people that blame jews for "everything" like I said, there are those that cannot bring themselves to see any issue, no matter what, as there's always the 'poor jew' that 'disproves everything'.

Usually when debating this and people are pressed on, this breaks into a few predictable stages:

1-They are persecuted and scapegoated at random, for no reason, but it's just them.
2-They are much smarter, that's why you see them (denying or brushing off any negative aspects).
3-You're just jealous (insert some shaming adjective).
4-There are bad people in every group, bla bla
5-So what? they have a right to look after themselves (goes back to stage 1)

[Cornfed]

Also, the wealthy doctor Jews aren't the ones that people dislike.

Oh I don’t know. Have you ever noticed that Jewish doctors tend to specialise in fields like oncology where they get to take all the wealth the stupid goyim accumulated over their whole lives, just for allegedly prolonging those lives by a few months? And those rich doctors probably have invitation only Jewish accountants funnelling money to Israel and Jewish hate organisations in exchange for generous tax benefits from Jews at the IRS, so they are part of the problem.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

Of course jews have to be smarter for this to be an issue, nobody is disputing that. Do you see people complaining about Asian-American subterfurge, depravity, discrimination, tribalism, and pushing of bizarre ideologies and policies?

Well h**l yes and you are further proving my point by using that example! Where in the heck have you been? Certainly not in black inner cities communities.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gb9yn2zS7M[/youtube]

For decades Asians with businesses in inner city communities have been the target of black vitriol and accusations of "subterfurge, depravity, discrimination, tribalism" as you listed. Asian-Americans are often seen by blacks as parasitic and exploitative of blacks. This is nothing new! I remember it in the 1970s and it exists today but since Asians do not represent a voting block, it gets ignored by the left.

Read the book "Chinese Girl in the Ghetto" by Ying Ma to get a account of the hell she lived by blacks who considered her Chinese family to be bloodsucking intruders in their community.

[Adama]

Also, the wealthy doctor Jews aren't the ones that people dislike.

Oh I don’t know. Have you ever noticed that Jewish doctors tend to specialise in fields like oncology where they get to take all the wealth the stupid goyim accumulated over their whole lives, just for allegedly prolonging those lives by a few months? And those rich doctors probably have invitation only Jewish accountants funnelling money to Israel and Jewish hate organisations in exchange for generous tax benefits from Jews at the IRS, so they are part of the problem.

They do seem to clump together. I had a Jewish doctor who botched a surgery he did on me. He only wanted to refer me to his best friends, other Jews, to convince me that the work he did was good, when it was terrible.

[droid]

Of course jews have to be smarter for this to be an issue, nobody is disputing that. Do you see people complaining about Asian-American subterfurge, depravity, discrimination, tribalism, and pushing of bizarre ideologies and policies?

Well h**l yes and you are further proving my point by using that example! Where in the heck have you been? Certainly not in black inner cities communities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gb9yn2zS7M

For decades Asians with businesses in inner city communities have been the target of black vitriol and accusations of "subterfurge, depravity, discrimination, tribalism" as you listed. Asian-Americans are often seen by blacks as parasitic and exploitative of blacks. This is nothing new! I remember it in the 1970s and it exists today but since Asians do not represent a voting block, it gets ignored by the left.

Read the book "Chinese Girl in the Ghetto" by Ying Ma to get a account of the hell she lived by blacks who considered her Chinese family to be bloodsucking intruders in their community.

Another superficial cop out/straw man.

The point was about higher IQ, higher achieving populations (which you initially brought about). Now you turn all this from things of actual importance, into a petty subset of black folks and inner-city convenience stores and nail-salons, grrrrrrreat.

http://www.asian-nation.org/14-statisti ... Sybu9.dpbs

Scroll down to Education, Employment, Income. Again, the point here is, they have similar success as jews in education, positions and income, and they're twice as many. Yet nobody is accusing them of being detrimental to the country at a political, economical or cultural level, in the fashion jews are pointed at, because, apparently, the great majority just mind their own goddamn business..

So no, it's not just jealous people making random accusations against those more successful or with a higher IQ, just 'cause.
It's not that simple Contrarian, at least not black and white, like I've been saying.

[droid]

Here's an interesting page showing all kinds of statistics regarding American jews. It's an interesting breakdown.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/jewi ... re-survey/

I had a feeling the 'Holocaust' serves as a cohesive, sort of self-referencing element in this identity. This kind of corroborates that:

[Contrarian Expatriate]

Another superficial cop out/straw man.

You probably should review what a straw man argument actually is before you accuse someone of using one. Instead of being worried about Jewish ill-gotten success, perhaps you should focus on raising the sophistication of your verbal acumen.

Now, when you make a false or foolish claim (ie. No one accuses high IQ Asians of things they accuse Jews of committing), and you are presented with direct evidence refuting that false claim, it does not mean one is "copping out" or making a straw man argument. It means your initial false claim was idiotic and easy to disprove.

Your anti-Jew resentment is but the same thing that plagues other groups who are simply better equipped to succeed in the marketplace. Armenians have taken this from Turks, Jews from resentful non-Jews, and the haves from the haves not.

When people are better off than you it does not mean they are cheating or benefiting from back-room, grand master scheming. It means that you simply are not up to their level of attainment. If you, and the other Jew haters put that effort into bettering your lot instead of besmirching others, you might not have to be so darn butt-hurt about Jewish success. Oh and by the way, the poor and homeless Jews who could not make it here in Israel, were they somehow left out of the grand master Jewish plan that you so fervently believe exists?

This Jewish guy puts the discussion in terms that you might be able to comprehend more easily.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYAXDYkdVDo[/youtube]

[droid]

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Understand that trying to hammer in your self-improvement narrative peg may not make sense for every topic.

Tsk, so we now have jedi hand-waving (very popular in this forum) on top of the complete evasions and blatant straw man. It was perfectly clear what I was referring to. You're better than this CE.

[Cornfed]

Your anti-Jew resentment is but the same thing that plagues other groups who are simply better equipped to succeed in the marketplace. Armenians have taken this from Turks, Jews from resentful non-Jews, and the haves from the haves not.

What is this “marketplace” you speak of? Jews and certain other favored groups take the top positions, while subhuman trash such as blacks and sluts are hired as a buffer between them and talented white men who would kick their asses in any marketplace. I mean seriously, who are you of all porto-people to talk of competing in any marketplace, when you have clearly never experienced any such thing?

As an example of Jewish privilege, Jews are more than 40 times as likely to attend Ivy League universities as white people. But you say, Jews get higher average SAT scores. True, but if it is OK for different ethnic groups to do differently, what is the logic behind the affirmative action quotas supported by the entire Jewish establishment, except as it applies to them of course? But even when corrected for academic performance, Jews are 14 times as likely to attend elite universities as equivalent whites. The Jews and their pets are then selected from these institutions as future leaders, who then decide who gets hired lower down the chain, who are of course more Jews and their pets.

There is no marketplace. It is communism, which is really just a synonym for Jewish dictatorship.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

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Understand that trying to hammer in your self-improvement narrative peg may not make sense for every topic.

Tsk, so we now have jedi hand-waving (very popular in this forum) on top of the complete evasions and blatant straw man. It was perfectly clear what I was referring to. You're better than this CE.

Very good!

Now that you know what a straw man fallacy actually is, you SHOULD be able to see that my refuting your rhetorical question of, "Do you see people complaining about Asian-American subterfuge, depravity, discrimination, tribalism, and pushing of bizarre ideologies and policies?" was not a straw man argument. But I give you a pass since you clearly did not know what as straw man fallacy was at the time. You just did not know how to respond at being proven factually wrong.

Now, do you have any other attempts to rebuff that anti-Jewish sentiment is NOT based their abnormally high IQ and therefore high rate of individual success?

[droid]

Here's an interesting page showing all kinds of statistics regarding American jews. It's an interesting breakdown.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/jewi ... re-survey/

I had a feeling the 'Holocaust' serves as a cohesive, sort of self-referencing element in this identity. This kind of corroborates that:

I have to complete the thought here.
This guy on on a more or less recent NatGeo "documentary", goes to great lengths trying to prove the origins of a "human-lampshade" he ran into.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNb1MZbqalk[/youtube]

The striking aspect here is not that the whole thing is the typical and tired propaganda piece. But rather that at the end (after the damage is done), when they're forced to conclude that it's not of human skin, but lamb instead, they guy is actually disappointed! What gives? lol.

One would think that someone would be relieved that such horrors did not actually take place, but since jews themselves are brainwashed with these stories, it has become part of the overall (again, self-referencing) identity.

On that same stats page:


Apparently intermarriage and assimilation are a "problem" that's on the rise. Some even see assimilation as equivalent to physical "extermination".
Preserving the cultural background is understandable, but some guys really go overboard with the paranoid thinking.

[gsjackson]

Yeah, there's no significant Jewish influence on Trump. Today he's unilaterally de-certifying the nuclear agreement with Iran and probably will declare the Revolutionary Guards a terrorist organization, something no sane person has or would recommend he do. This has the potential to be extraordinarily de-stabilizing to the world order, but the Jews want it so that's the end of the story. Now let's hear the spin on it from somebody who doesn't know what the f*ck he's talking about.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

Yeah, there's no significant Jewish influence on Trump. Today he's unilaterally de-certifying the nuclear agreement with Iran and probably will declare the Revolutionary Guards a terrorist organization, something no sane person has or would recommend he do. This has the potential to be extraordinarily de-stabilizing to the world order, but the Jews want it so that's the end of the story. Now let's hear the spin on it from somebody who doesn't know what the f*ck he's talking about.

One thing we can count on when concepts are too difficult to comprehend or require a modicum of sophisticated knowledge, a certain category of individual will often just conveniently blame "Da Juuze," or some other omnipotent force in the mind of such an individual.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is arguably the most powerful Jew in the country. He supports keeping the Iran deal in place so there goes your "It's the Jews" theory right out of the window. Moreover, the American Jewish Reform movement want Trump to keep the deal in place:
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran-N ... ent-507362

Feminists are also legendary for their stupidity and simple-mindedness. They have their own omnipotent force that they blame on everything, they call it "The Patriarchy!" Just as our resident idiots can constantly blame everything they don't adequately understand on "Da JUUZE," so can feminists blame their nebulous bogey.

What it all comes down to is stupid people need quick and convenient scapegoats to explain things that rise above their capacity. Some examples of scapegoats are:

The Illuminati
The Patriarchy
The Trilateral Commission
The Bilderbergers
The Bankers and Wall Street

Most of these scapegoats further conspiracy theories of small-minded people like yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... y_theories

Different idiots use different scapegoats and conspiracy theories to cloak their stupidity. For some reason, you have unhealthily fixated on Jews.

A discussion of Scapegoating Theory is available on this (easy to read) Wikipedia page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoating

I would have provided more scholarly links than Wikipedia, but I wanted to ensure you were able to understand most of the material.

[MrPeabody]

What it all comes down to is stupid people need quick and convenient scapegoats to explain things that rise above their capacity. Some examples of scapegoats are:

The Illuminati
The Patriarchy
The Trilateral Commission
The Bilderbergers
The Bankers and Wall Street

The Muslims

[gsjackson]

Yeah, there's no significant Jewish influence on Trump. Today he's unilaterally de-certifying the nuclear agreement with Iran and probably will declare the Revolutionary Guards a terrorist organization, something no sane person has or would recommend he do. This has the potential to be extraordinarily de-stabilizing to the world order, but the Jews want it so that's the end of the story. Now let's hear the spin on it from somebody who doesn't know what the f*ck he's talking about.

One thing we can count on when concepts are too difficult to comprehend or require a modicum of sophisticated knowledge, a certain category of individual will often just conveniently blame "Da Juuze," or some other omnipotent force in the mind of such an individual.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is arguably the most powerful Jew in the country. He supports keeping the Iran deal in place so there goes your "It's the Jews" theory right out of the window. Moreover, the American Jewish Reform movement want Trump to keep the deal in place:
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran-N ... ent-507362

Feminists are also legendary for their stupidity and simple-mindedness. They have their own omnipotent force that they blame on everything, they call it "The Patriarchy!" Just as our resident idiots can constantly blame everything they don't adequately understand on "Da JUUZE," so can feminists blame their nebulous bogey.

What it all comes down to is stupid people need quick and convenient scapegoats to explain things that rise above their capacity. Some examples of scapegoats are:

The Illuminati
The Patriarchy
The Trilateral Commission
The Bilderbergers
The Bankers and Wall Street

Most of these scapegoats further conspiracy theories of small-minded people like yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... y_theories

Different idiots use different scapegoats and conspiracy theories to cloak their stupidity. For some reason, you have unhealthily fixated on Jews.

A discussion of Scapegoating Theory is available on this (easy to read) Wikipedia page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoating

I would have provided more scholarly links than Wikipedia, but I wanted to ensure you were able to understand most of the material.

You have one obvious point to make in this thread and you've made it about half a dozen times -- not all Jews believe the same things, so no generalizations about them are possible. Then there's your usual juvenile ad hominem attacks that get really tiresome. Your little point is not worth making more than once because it precludes discussion. Some people are comfortable making such generalizations, you are not.

There is a very substantial discourse going on about the neocon (neocons = Jews) influence on Trump, with which you are completely unfamiliar. When I listed the various subversive ideas propagated by Jews (to which you never responded) I left out concepts such as neoconservatism and neoliberalism that require more than a passing understanding of American politics. I didn't want things to get too murky for you as you struggle to grasp the concepts.

You don't know how to debate. You simply call people names and dress it up with dime store psychology. Every time you do it you play right into the hands of racists such as Cornfed, and also Thomas Jefferson, who noted of blacks that they are capable of grand flights of oratory but not of rational thought or discourse. Then after your words that satisfy you so much, you strut around like the pigeon that thinks it has won a chess game by knocking over the pieces and shitting on the board.