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Is Islam an Answer?

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Re: Is Islam an Answer?

Post by verbosityincarnate » February 15th, 2017, 11:24 pm

Is Islam an answer?

Yes, if you're a genocidal pedophile. If you're a reasonable person who has actually read the Quran and any of the major hadiths, no. Islam is a savage ideology, and the practical implementation is not something pleasant. The most bearable Islamic countries, like Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan? Notably secular in practice.
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Re: Is Islam an Answer?

Post by drealm » February 16th, 2017, 9:08 am

Something else to consider about Islam is that it has scaling problems. The obvious one being polygamy. Though I don't know how frequent this realistically is. But since polygamy is permitted one can argue that Islam both has the propensity to rapidly expand by virtue of younger men being driven out to find wives, like some splinter LDS groups, but it is also unstable at peak saturation. Perhaps this is why all Muslim countries are screwed up, where as transplants in the west can still practice polygamy without destabilizing their host country since they're a minority. A different but somewhat similar comment can be made about their mosques also. Where as a place like the Mennonites forks off into new communities once they reach a critical threshold, Islam just keeps expanding like urban sprawl. If you give credence to something like Dunbar's law, then this obviously erodes the community.

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Re: Is Islam an Answer?

Post by Kradmelder » February 16th, 2017, 1:37 pm

verbosityincarnate wrote:Is Islam an answer?

Yes, if you're a genocidal pedophile. If you're a reasonable person who has actually read the Quran and any of the major hadiths, no. Islam is a savage ideology, and the practical implementation is not something pleasant. The most bearable Islamic countries, like Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan? Notably secular in practice.
And if you own a piggery, are a butcher making bacon and sausage, are a brewer or distiller, or other such professions, islam is distinctly unpleasant i not dangerous to your health :lol:

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Re: Is Islam an Answer?

Post by Yohan » October 14th, 2017, 5:19 am

Boxman wrote:I understand many, if not most of the men posting on this forum, are jealous of men born into Islamic societies (except the really sh*tty ones obviously, like Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Sudan, Libya, etc). Damn I just named most of the significant Islamic countries on this planet.
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It looks great on the surface but I believe their societies are ultimately riddled with unhappiness, because their obsessive devotion to a very harsh and puritanical religion sucks the vibrancy and fun out of life...
The Islamic world would be much more creditable if they could show up with better economic performance.
Wide areas are nothing but a huge slum, totally impoverished.

In your list is missing Bangladesh, a place with about 165 million people, about half of the population of the entire USA - but it has only the size of Illinois. One of the poorest places in this world. It is much worse in Bangladesh compared even to life in slums in the Philippines.

There is only a small group of super-rich Islamic despotes, often best-friends of USA you might be jealous of their life-style, they really have everything and don't care about their poor Muslim brothers and sisters.

Their wealth is based mostly on petroleum, and all what is still missing in their life they can buy somewhere in the Western world, just go shopping with their private airplane - but otherwise? No question about that the Western world is highly advanced compared to the Islamic-based countries.

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Re: Is Islam an Answer?

Post by Yohan » October 14th, 2017, 6:42 am

verbosityincarnate wrote:Is Islam an answer?
Yes, if you're a genocidal pedophile...
This is one rare point, where I have to defend Islam, despite I am not fond of this religion at all.

At that time pedophilia was not considered to be a crime, and children, regardless if boys or girls, of any race, of any religion, had not much value.
Chidlren could be sold, abandoned, killed etc. by their parents, children were used around 1850 still in Great Britain as child prostitutes, nobody said a word about it at that time, slavery was common everywhere, Buddhist Thailand formally prohibited slavery in 1906 and most slaves released were Muslims.

Also here in Japan nobody cared about children sexually abused, but it was somewhat regulated, as prostitution was legal and considered as a job - and these children were mostly living with their mother, who was a postitute and introduced her daughter or sometimes orphans to this job. Many of these women were not really slaves, but 'confiscated' due to debts of their parents, moral values were quite different at that time.

I see no reason why Mohammed should be considered as a pedophile, he had many wives of various age, also children with them.
Not much difference between him and the life-style of people of influence in Asia where other religions were dominant.

I think, most pedophiles and child mistreaters you can find within the Catholic Church, not so much in Islam.

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Re: Is Islam an Answer?

Post by Jonny Law » October 14th, 2017, 2:47 pm

verbosityincarnate wrote:Is Islam an answer?

Yes, if you're a genocidal pedophile. If you're a reasonable person who has actually read the Quran and any of the major hadiths, no. Islam is a savage ideology, and the practical implementation is not something pleasant. The most bearable Islamic countries, like Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan? Notably secular in practice.
Society has survived 1500 years of Islam!
:twisted: Society is crumbling after 100 years of Feminism!

The world loved our Gay, Muslim Former President! and Mike Drop!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWx9zSy04uA
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Re: Is Islam an Answer?

Post by OutWest » October 14th, 2017, 4:48 pm

Jonny Law wrote:
verbosityincarnate wrote:Is Islam an answer?

Yes, if you're a genocidal pedophile. If you're a reasonable person who has actually read the Quran and any of the major hadiths, no. Islam is a savage ideology, and the practical implementation is not something pleasant. The most bearable Islamic countries, like Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan? Notably secular in practice.
Society has survived 1500 years of Islam!
:twisted: Society is crumbling after 100 years of Feminism!

The world loved our Gay, Muslim Former President! and Mike Drop!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWx9zSy04uA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FupxIa9Hnww
That is true. A medieval culture is more or less static.
The industrial evolution and all of modernity were a product of the West. Some side affects of all of this are toxic waste products. Extreme feminism, normalization of homosexuality and multiple chaotic movements that are very destructive. Reverting to a totalitarian religion is hardly a solution.

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Re: Is Islam an Answer?

Post by Wolfeye » October 15th, 2017, 2:19 am

OutWest: Good answer! In truth, progress isn't always a good thing, but doing worse than the problem as a response isn't a treatment/solution. It's detriment. So America will probably try to implement it, at least in quality, in some sneaky way. Probably say it's trying to "help people" or that it's something that supports work (ex: education benefits).

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Re: Is Islam an Answer?

Post by MrMan » October 15th, 2017, 2:29 am

So the think people here like about Islam is no feminism. What about more important issues like whether you go to Hell or not? I hear Muslims believe they will all go to Hell. That is a point of agreement they have with many Christians.

Except Islam makes an exception for people who die as martyrs in a jihad (war in which they fight for Islam.) They believe they go to Hell for a time.

From a national security perspective, it is very unlikely that a non-Muslim is going to get radicalized... as a non-Muslim... and participate in a radical factions version of jihad that involves blowing stuff up. If you join Islam ot get a submissive wife, your kid could join one of those minority groups and fight in a jihad somewhere.

I don't get why Bush started calling Islam 'a great religion' and 'a religion of peace.' Islam does not mean peace. It means submission. It sounds similar to the Arabic word for peace, salaam, especially in a language where you subtitute in different vowels around triliteral roots. But for Islam, those roots are glottal stop, the 's' sound and the 'l' sound.

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Re: Is Islam an Answer?

Post by Jonny Law » October 15th, 2017, 2:38 pm

OutWest wrote:
Jonny Law wrote:
verbosityincarnate wrote:Is Islam an answer?

Yes, if you're a genocidal pedophile. If you're a reasonable person who has actually read the Quran and any of the major hadiths, no. Islam is a savage ideology, and the practical implementation is not something pleasant. The most bearable Islamic countries, like Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan? Notably secular in practice.
Society has survived 1500 years of Islam!
:twisted: Society is crumbling after 100 years of Feminism!

The world loved our Gay, Muslim Former President! and Mike Drop!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWx9zSy04uA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FupxIa9Hnww
That is true. A medieval culture is more or less static.
The industrial evolution and all of modernity were a product of the West. Some side affects of all of this are toxic waste products. Extreme feminism, normalization of homosexuality and multiple chaotic movements that are very destructive. Reverting to a totalitarian religion is hardly a solution.
You Say:
"Extreme feminism, normalization of homosexuality and multiple chaotic movements that are very destructive. Reverting to a totalitarian religion is hardly a solution.
Reverting to a totalitarian religion is hardly a solution."

Remember before Hilter there was the immoral and pornographic Weimar Republic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgzMFnMS5AA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wJ-VCT9m1Y

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Re: Is Islam an Answer?

Post by Jonny Law » October 15th, 2017, 3:44 pm

MrMan wrote:So the think people here like about Islam is no feminism. What about more important issues like whether you go to Hell or not? I hear Muslims believe they will all go to Hell. That is a point of agreement they have with many Christians.

Except Islam makes an exception for people who die as martyrs in a jihad (war in which they fight for Islam.) They believe they go to Hell for a time.

From a national security perspective, it is very unlikely that a non-Muslim is going to get radicalized... as a non-Muslim... and participate in a radical factions version of jihad that involves blowing stuff up. If you join Islam ot get a submissive wife, your kid could join one of those minority groups and fight in a jihad somewhere.

I don't get why Bush started calling Islam 'a great religion' and 'a religion of peace.' Islam does not mean peace. It means submission. It sounds similar to the Arabic word for peace, salaam, especially in a language where you subtitute in different vowels around triliteral roots. But for Islam, those roots are glottal stop, the 's' sound and the 'l' sound.
Don't Worry your kids will be fine if they die in Jihad!
The martyr or shaheed – the one who dies in battle in Allah’s cause (Jihad) – immediately goes to the highest level of paradise the moment his first drop of blood hits the ground, and he receives the promise of sensual pleasures. The shaheed avoids all punishments of the grave and is sure of his reward in paradise. The shaheed does not feel the pain of death.

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