Does Magic Exist?
Posted: September 12th, 2023, 3:58 am
Hey guys. I wondered what you all think of magic. Do you think it exists? Or is it a load of hocus pocus
Magic has existed (or so people have believed) since the cradle of civilisation in Mesopotamia. In ancient Mesopotamia they believed that magic was the only viable way to fight off ghosts and demons. The ancient Mesopotamians had evil sorcerers who would cast curses against people and the victims of these curses would have to take counter measures against these curses.
Mesopotamians also had spells and rituals to do with love magic. I believe @willymonfrete wrote something about this a while ago.
Most magical rituals in ancient Mesopotamia were intended to be performed by an āšipu, an expert in the magical arts. These were esteemed individuals who would act as priests, scribes, physicians and scholars. Their patron god was Enki, who was the ultimate source of all arcane knowledge for the Mesopotamians. With this knowledge in mind @kukushka, we can see there is a clear inconsistency with this idea that Enki is Yahweh, particularly since Yahweh had forbidden such knowledge and deemed it as evil.
Ancient Egyptians also practiced magic and occultism. They had magical incantations inscribed on amulets and they were worn for protection. The word for their magical system was Heka and this was supposedly a beneficence gifted to humanity by the creator. The main pronciple of Heka was the power of words used to bring things into being. Similar to the double slit experiment which changes particles that form wave patterns into particle patterns when observed by a conscious observer, the Egyptians believe something can materialised with the power of words.
Ancient China also had shamanic practices. @Winston, did you know that Taoism has some of its origins from Chinese Shamanism? Ancient Taoists used similar techniques to the Ancient Egyptians as mentioned above; amulets inscribed with magical incantations, rituals and mantras. Mantras being the same power of the word mentioned by the Ancient Egyptians.
Even the Jews use occultism, despite such practices being forbidden by Yahweh. This is esoteric stuff mentioned in a thread @Lucas88 wrote about the esotericism in the Kabbalah or Talmud.
So there is a little history of magic use and belief dating back as far as the cradle of civilisation. Below I'll reference some examples of different kinds of magic:
HEALING
This type of magic is all about healing. Healing the body, mind and soul.
Christians believe Jesus was a healer. You can't accept the stories of Jesus Christ without acknowledgement of the existence of magic.
What do the Christians around here think? @MrMan, @Outcast9428, @Cornfed, @Mr. Mistoffelees, @gsjackson, @TruthSeeker?
@Lucas88 also experienced some distance healing when he was having his Kundalini crisis. He talked about this in a thread written by @WilliamSmith about Chi energy. Basically this guy half way across the country and managed to cool down the burning sensation in Lucas88's legs with chakra meditations.
ILLUSION
This is all about the art of deception. Magic which fools the senses and alters your perception of the world. We see this kind of magic often with street magicians and people like Derren Brown on TV. But the truth is that illusion magic is much more prevalent in our lives than we think.
The society we live in is a world of illusion. We are brainwashed since childhood about things like "The American Dream" etc. Freedom is a lie. Democracy is a lie. This is one of the largest illusion spells ever cast in the history of humanity.
The benevolence of governments, religious institutions, even corporations like Big Pharma, all an illusion to fool you. (Especially corporations! viewtopic.php?style=11&f=42&t=46528&sid ... 8a24a2a7c5)
Even most friendships and family is nothing but an illusion. I have family that I have nothing in common with at all. We are related by blood, but that's about all we have in common. For the most part I view my family as nothing more than strangers or distant acquaintances. Family closeness is an illusion.
Luckily, Shiva intends on returning to this planet and tearing away the veils of illusion shrouding this planet and keeping everyone bound under this spell. Shiva is the destroyer of illusion.
I want to talk more about our world of illusion, but in a different thread.
MYSTICISM
What about divination and clairvoyance? Is this not a kind of magic? Mysticism magic covers these kind of things.
I wrote a thread about Mediumship and Clairvoyance here: viewtopic.php?style=11&f=14&t=47201
I've been to see a medium several times and every time I've been to see her what she predicted has come true. I've also tried my hand at tarot card reading and things like that.
There's also prophetic dreams and their interpretation. I had an interesting conversation about this with @Tsar last night. I'll include contents of what I asked him in my dreams thread viewtopic.php?style=11&f=14&t=47200
ALTERATION
This type of magic involves changing things, as the name suggests. For example the study of cymatics and music. Music creates vibrations which can directly effect your mood. This is kind of like alteration magic, is it not?
There's another example of this in the Bible, where Jesus supposedly changed water into wine. This is alteration magic. Taking one thing and changing its properties.
In Hermetic philosophy the Kyballion talks about transmutation, which is a kind of mental/spiritual alchemy. It is a process of transmuting your thoughts to improve, purify, perfect, expand your mind and, ultimately, your life. This is alteration magic. Being in control of your thoughts and emotions.
CONJURATION
Conjuration is the art of summoning deities, spirits or demons whether intentional or not.
I've spoken in my psychedelics thread about my interaction with various gods and goddesses such as Shiva and Hathor. I remember calling for Shiva when I was tripping and then I was standing in a garden with him. He gave me some very wise advice on how to deal with some circumstances in my life. The thread is here: viewtopic.php?style=11&f=15&t=45587
I'm sure @MrMan would argue that I wasn't speaking with Shiva, but a demon instead.
People also use things like a ouija board. Personally the idea of summoning spirits in this manner freaks me out. Has anyone ever used one?
DESTRUCTION
This magic is what people would consider the most destructive side of magic. Things like hexes and all things chaotic and destructive that can cause death upon one's enemies.
The Mesopotamians saw all magic as neutral, and only the wielder and and their intentions was considered "evil" like the sorcerers they sought to protect themselves from.
We can see examples of destruction magic being used by gods and goddesses throughout various mythologies and their respective flood myths. The gods used the forces of nature to cause widespread destruction upon the world in an attempt to eradicate humanity.
In modern times, our governments have used similar technologies such as "cloud seeding" in the Vietnam war to prolong the monsoon season. There is also the conspiracy that the governments have HAARP technology to control weather, potentially to use it in a destructive capacity.
What about nuclear weapons? Is it not like magic to harness the power of the atom to use in such a destructive way? Although if you asked @gsjackson he would argue this is more like illusion magic
Conclusion
The ancient civilisations from Ancient Mesopotamia through Ancient Egypt saw most magic as neutral and saw no difference between science and magic. In this thread I've proposed the same kind of perspective, postulating that there is a connection between science, spirituality and magic. Everything in nature is intrinsically connected. Including us to each other. So what are your thoughts on magic?
@MarcosZeitola
@publicduende
@fschmidt
@kangarunner
@Natural_Born_Cynic
Magic has existed (or so people have believed) since the cradle of civilisation in Mesopotamia. In ancient Mesopotamia they believed that magic was the only viable way to fight off ghosts and demons. The ancient Mesopotamians had evil sorcerers who would cast curses against people and the victims of these curses would have to take counter measures against these curses.
Mesopotamians also had spells and rituals to do with love magic. I believe @willymonfrete wrote something about this a while ago.
Most magical rituals in ancient Mesopotamia were intended to be performed by an āšipu, an expert in the magical arts. These were esteemed individuals who would act as priests, scribes, physicians and scholars. Their patron god was Enki, who was the ultimate source of all arcane knowledge for the Mesopotamians. With this knowledge in mind @kukushka, we can see there is a clear inconsistency with this idea that Enki is Yahweh, particularly since Yahweh had forbidden such knowledge and deemed it as evil.
Ancient Egyptians also practiced magic and occultism. They had magical incantations inscribed on amulets and they were worn for protection. The word for their magical system was Heka and this was supposedly a beneficence gifted to humanity by the creator. The main pronciple of Heka was the power of words used to bring things into being. Similar to the double slit experiment which changes particles that form wave patterns into particle patterns when observed by a conscious observer, the Egyptians believe something can materialised with the power of words.
Ancient China also had shamanic practices. @Winston, did you know that Taoism has some of its origins from Chinese Shamanism? Ancient Taoists used similar techniques to the Ancient Egyptians as mentioned above; amulets inscribed with magical incantations, rituals and mantras. Mantras being the same power of the word mentioned by the Ancient Egyptians.
Even the Jews use occultism, despite such practices being forbidden by Yahweh. This is esoteric stuff mentioned in a thread @Lucas88 wrote about the esotericism in the Kabbalah or Talmud.
So there is a little history of magic use and belief dating back as far as the cradle of civilisation. Below I'll reference some examples of different kinds of magic:
HEALING
This type of magic is all about healing. Healing the body, mind and soul.
Christians believe Jesus was a healer. You can't accept the stories of Jesus Christ without acknowledgement of the existence of magic.
What do the Christians around here think? @MrMan, @Outcast9428, @Cornfed, @Mr. Mistoffelees, @gsjackson, @TruthSeeker?
@Lucas88 also experienced some distance healing when he was having his Kundalini crisis. He talked about this in a thread written by @WilliamSmith about Chi energy. Basically this guy half way across the country and managed to cool down the burning sensation in Lucas88's legs with chakra meditations.
ILLUSION
This is all about the art of deception. Magic which fools the senses and alters your perception of the world. We see this kind of magic often with street magicians and people like Derren Brown on TV. But the truth is that illusion magic is much more prevalent in our lives than we think.
The society we live in is a world of illusion. We are brainwashed since childhood about things like "The American Dream" etc. Freedom is a lie. Democracy is a lie. This is one of the largest illusion spells ever cast in the history of humanity.
The benevolence of governments, religious institutions, even corporations like Big Pharma, all an illusion to fool you. (Especially corporations! viewtopic.php?style=11&f=42&t=46528&sid ... 8a24a2a7c5)
Even most friendships and family is nothing but an illusion. I have family that I have nothing in common with at all. We are related by blood, but that's about all we have in common. For the most part I view my family as nothing more than strangers or distant acquaintances. Family closeness is an illusion.
Luckily, Shiva intends on returning to this planet and tearing away the veils of illusion shrouding this planet and keeping everyone bound under this spell. Shiva is the destroyer of illusion.
I want to talk more about our world of illusion, but in a different thread.
MYSTICISM
What about divination and clairvoyance? Is this not a kind of magic? Mysticism magic covers these kind of things.
I wrote a thread about Mediumship and Clairvoyance here: viewtopic.php?style=11&f=14&t=47201
I've been to see a medium several times and every time I've been to see her what she predicted has come true. I've also tried my hand at tarot card reading and things like that.
There's also prophetic dreams and their interpretation. I had an interesting conversation about this with @Tsar last night. I'll include contents of what I asked him in my dreams thread viewtopic.php?style=11&f=14&t=47200
ALTERATION
This type of magic involves changing things, as the name suggests. For example the study of cymatics and music. Music creates vibrations which can directly effect your mood. This is kind of like alteration magic, is it not?
There's another example of this in the Bible, where Jesus supposedly changed water into wine. This is alteration magic. Taking one thing and changing its properties.
In Hermetic philosophy the Kyballion talks about transmutation, which is a kind of mental/spiritual alchemy. It is a process of transmuting your thoughts to improve, purify, perfect, expand your mind and, ultimately, your life. This is alteration magic. Being in control of your thoughts and emotions.
CONJURATION
Conjuration is the art of summoning deities, spirits or demons whether intentional or not.
I've spoken in my psychedelics thread about my interaction with various gods and goddesses such as Shiva and Hathor. I remember calling for Shiva when I was tripping and then I was standing in a garden with him. He gave me some very wise advice on how to deal with some circumstances in my life. The thread is here: viewtopic.php?style=11&f=15&t=45587
I'm sure @MrMan would argue that I wasn't speaking with Shiva, but a demon instead.
People also use things like a ouija board. Personally the idea of summoning spirits in this manner freaks me out. Has anyone ever used one?
DESTRUCTION
This magic is what people would consider the most destructive side of magic. Things like hexes and all things chaotic and destructive that can cause death upon one's enemies.
The Mesopotamians saw all magic as neutral, and only the wielder and and their intentions was considered "evil" like the sorcerers they sought to protect themselves from.
We can see examples of destruction magic being used by gods and goddesses throughout various mythologies and their respective flood myths. The gods used the forces of nature to cause widespread destruction upon the world in an attempt to eradicate humanity.
In modern times, our governments have used similar technologies such as "cloud seeding" in the Vietnam war to prolong the monsoon season. There is also the conspiracy that the governments have HAARP technology to control weather, potentially to use it in a destructive capacity.
What about nuclear weapons? Is it not like magic to harness the power of the atom to use in such a destructive way? Although if you asked @gsjackson he would argue this is more like illusion magic
Conclusion
The ancient civilisations from Ancient Mesopotamia through Ancient Egypt saw most magic as neutral and saw no difference between science and magic. In this thread I've proposed the same kind of perspective, postulating that there is a connection between science, spirituality and magic. Everything in nature is intrinsically connected. Including us to each other. So what are your thoughts on magic?
@MarcosZeitola
@publicduende
@fschmidt
@kangarunner
@Natural_Born_Cynic