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What a difference 1,300 miles (and 20 years) can make!

Post by traveller » August 9th, 2018, 5:31 am

In another thread, I told everyone that Chicago, Illinois is, hands down, the #1 worst dating scene in the Western Hemisphere. Well, I am visiting Chicago from Florida, and it's like I don't even know the neighborhood I grew up in anymore. I checked out a place called Junior's Sports Bar in Chicago's west suburb of Berwyn the other night. Not surprisingly of course, not a single one of the other customers even bothered to say "Hi" to me at all. And there is no hugging the bartenders or waitresses at all in the State of Illinois. Totally unlike in Florida where bartenders and waitresses hug their customers all the time. I can literally feel just how absolutely toxic, paranoid, and defensive Berwyn has become. Since my graduation from Morton West High School, the entire population of Berwyn has completely turned over, literally like the fictional ocean liner Poseidon when it was struck by a rogue wave. I have even ridden through several areas of Berwyn, and have seen nobody playing outside in any front or back yards at all. I have not even visited the Berwyn rec center or Pavek Pool in many years, that severely has Berwyn's once friendly social atmosphere collapsed as the friendly Europeans moved out and fake and superficial people moved in. I also noticed that the "whites" in Berwyn today appear to be plain straight American.




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Re: What a difference 1,300 miles (and 20 years) can make!

Post by growup » August 9th, 2018, 9:13 pm

My dear, it might just be you, or it may be the places you're going.
I was just in Chicago in May, and while I don't frequent bars at all, I did get to catch up with some friends and even met some new people.
Best of luck :)

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Re: What a difference 1,300 miles (and 20 years) can make!

Post by gsjackson » August 10th, 2018, 5:43 am

growup wrote:
August 9th, 2018, 9:13 pm
My dear, it might just be you, or it may be the places you're going.
I was just in Chicago in May, and while I don't frequent bars at all, I did get to catch up with some friends and even met some new people.
Best of luck :)
I'm guessing that some of the Polish enclave in Chicago -- the city with the second largest Polish population after Warsaw -- is still distinctive enough from the mainstream culture to have some vibrancy and sense of community remaining. Or no? In any case, full assimilation, and the end of community, is on the near horizon.

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Re: What a difference 1,300 miles (and 20 years) can make!

Post by HappyGuy » August 10th, 2018, 6:00 am

Well you know what they say, "all it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing"

The culture changed gradually but American men were probably too busy beating their chests and lying about how much p***y they were getting to admit there was a problem

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Re: What a difference 1,300 miles (and 20 years) can make!

Post by growup » August 10th, 2018, 11:06 am

gsjackson wrote:
August 10th, 2018, 5:43 am
growup wrote:
August 9th, 2018, 9:13 pm
My dear, it might just be you, or it may be the places you're going.
I was just in Chicago in May, and while I don't frequent bars at all, I did get to catch up with some friends and even met some new people.
Best of luck :)
I'm guessing that some of the Polish enclave in Chicago -- the city with the second largest Polish population after Warsaw -- is still distinctive enough from the mainstream culture to have some vibrancy and sense of community remaining. Or no? In any case, full assimilation, and the end of community, is on the near horizon.
You're right...but I didn't visit the Polish enclave.
I was in the same area that traveller was, except I don't frequent bars.

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Re: What a difference 1,300 miles (and 20 years) can make!

Post by traveller » August 13th, 2018, 10:54 pm

growup wrote:
August 9th, 2018, 9:13 pm
My dear, it might just be you, or it may be the places you're going.
I was just in Chicago in May, and while I don't frequent bars at all, I did get to catch up with some friends and even met some new people.
Best of luck :)
I know what it is. You made new friends with the new people that moved into Berwyn. Miss Growup, nobody, I repeat, nobody from my high school time period lives in Berwyn, Stickney, or Forest View anymore. They have all moved away after high school. Many have moved to the satellite communities (Yorkville, Channahon, Rockford, Oregon, Freeport, Utica, etc). Some have moved out of state, some have moved to Chicago proper (and right into Chicago's enormous 'hood,' including River North which is immensely far worse in terms of violent crime than the Garfield Park area), and a few have even moved out of the country. And as far as I know it, their entire families have also moved far away, and that is the reason for the vast majority of them moving away.

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Re: What a difference 1,300 miles (and 20 years) can make!

Post by traveller » August 13th, 2018, 11:19 pm

It also is really sad how Illinoisans can literally forget everyone they met and become total strangers again. The other day on my way to Junior's, I ran into someone who ran a church group I used to be a part of, and she did not remember me at all.

The difference in community is also a huge letdown, too. There is practically nothing to do in Chicagoland! I used to only hang out at shopping malls, forest preserves, department stores, and occasionally the Garfield Park Conservatory when I had respite care. The suburbs (Brookfield, LaGrange, Countryside, Glen Ellyn, Downers Grove, and such) is all one huge business-only zone, and it is no surprise that Illinoisans live only to work and that's it. In Illinois it appears, nobody ever steps outdoors at all except for on the way to and from school and work. East of California Avenue in Chicago proper is one huge endless war zone and a culture of guns, death, violence, and illegal drugs. South of 127th Street is another endless war zone that covers the entire south suburbs area east of Illinois Route 50/Cicero Avenue all the way south to Steger and Governor State University and eastward non-stop through Gary, Indiana. Even Downtown Chicago is a horribly violent, extremely bad neighborhood, far too dangerous to even drive through in broad daylight.

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Re: What a difference 1,300 miles (and 20 years) can make!

Post by growup » August 14th, 2018, 12:32 am

my dear, you're not that much older than I am...and a good majority of the people I attended grade school and high school with still live in Berwyn/Cicero/Stickney.
All of those shopping malls and forest preserves are still there...I visited them when I went home to see my parents.
I even drove through Gary, Indiana without being shot.
It's really not that bad. I'm sorry that you have bad experiences, but posting things that aren't true isn't going to get you anywhere.

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What a difference 1300 miles and 20 years can make

Post by exhamma » February 4th, 2019, 5:39 pm

Don't worry about the 50mpg -- you still had to stop when we stopped anyways. I was amazed though and the difference.

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Re: What a difference 1,300 miles (and 20 years) can make!

Post by Winston » February 9th, 2019, 5:36 pm

growup wrote:
August 9th, 2018, 9:13 pm
My dear, it might just be you, or it may be the places you're going.
I was just in Chicago in May, and while I don't frequent bars at all, I did get to catch up with some friends and even met some new people.
Best of luck :)
Why do you consider that the problem might be him? Why can't it be the people around him? Why is that not a possibility in your book? Do you consider the majority to be always right? Don't you know most people are sheeple and have a hive mind and will become degenerate if the culture does, because they are followers and zombies and have no inner principles or virtues? We all know that here. So why don't you? Why don't you consider that it's America's unfriendly toxic antisocial culture and not the OP? Why do you like to be closed minded? Why do you conform to the hive even when they are wrong and messed up?

Come see our FB group. I added three new female friends who all feel the same way we do about America. So there are even women who are on our page. They understand us. So why don't you? The thing is, even if you have friends in America and a wife and a good job, still if your soul doesn't fit into American culture and how fake and dishonest and artificial it is, you're still gonna SUFFER. You gotta understand that. My three new red pill female friends understand it and feel the same way, even if they have friends. So why don't you? Come visit us on FB and I'll introduce you to some real red pilled women.

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Post by Winston » February 9th, 2019, 6:07 pm

Also growup, I don't understand something. We all CLEARLY see that Americans today are very antisocial, not open to talking to strangers, not interested in meeting people, and are SOCIALLY DISCONNECTED and SOCIALLY ISOLATED, and paranoid and closed to each other, and have been super cliquish and fake since the mid 1980's. Do you deny all that? It seems like you refuse to acknowledge all the above. Why is that? Is it because you are blind to it? If so how can we all see it crystal clearly 100 percent?

All the American expats I've talked to in Angeles City all acknowledge that America is antisocial and that people don't talk to strangers or make friends anymore. Even to them it's crystal clear and obvious. So why then do many mainstream people, including you it seems, seem blind to this obvious fact that is more obvious than the blue sky? I don't get it. How can so many people be blind to the most obvious thing like 2+2=4, yet other see it crystal clearly? And no one in alternative media dares to talk about it?

Do you seriously honest to God not see any of it? Do you honestly believe that Americans are just as friendly as they were in the 1970's or before?

How come US government stats say that today Americans have an average of 0 or 1 friends, compared to 2 to 3 in the 1990's and 3 to 4 in the 1980's? How do you explain that? And how do you explain all our direct observations here? I wouldn't lie to you, you know that?

How can you not see or acknowledge something that is 100 percent clear to all of us? I don't get that. That's very twilight zoneish.

Btw keep in mind this is not a men vs women thingy. I know some red pill women (who have become close friends with me) who agree with all that I say about America and feel the same way. And conversely, I know mainstream American men, even in the UFO/truther movements, who claim Americans are very open and friendly, and one big truther from Australia named Max Igan even claimed he felt camaraderie and social connection in America (in his video "observations of America"). WTF? Camaraderie in America? I thought he must be batshit insane!

So it seems like different people are in alternate universes somehow.

Like I said, it must be due to whether you are part of the hive or not. Just like animals and insects, if you belong to the hive, people sense it and treat you as one of them. If you do not, they sense it and reject you and do not know why. This happens to women and girls too, they've told me they are disliked and bullied for no reason too. It can only be because they are different and not part of the hive or borg collective. So this matters more than you know. No other linear logical explanation can explain why nice people are shunned and disliked for no apparent reason, and not everyone experiences the same thing.
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Re: What a difference 1,300 miles (and 20 years) can make!

Post by growup » February 11th, 2019, 5:46 am

Winston, I do believe America has suffered some sort of disconnect, and I will agree with you there.
HOWEVER, I do believe that sometimes, just sometimes, people do things to make other people uncomfortable and then get mad at those people for not reciprocating a friendship.
That's all.

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Re: What a difference 1,300 miles (and 20 years) can make!

Post by Yohan » February 11th, 2019, 7:57 pm

Winston wrote:
February 9th, 2019, 6:07 pm

How come US government stats say that today Americans have an average of 0 or 1 friends, compared to 2 to 3 in the 1990's and 3 to 4 in the 1980's?
.....
Btw keep in mind this is not a men vs women thingy.
Let me add communication issues among people are not only typical for USA but for many Western countries too - more or less the same in Europe,
but even here in Japan it is not the same like it was in 1970.

Partially of course feminism is to blame - the dating scene is totally broken - but there are other reasons too. Especially automatization.

1970 I still was walking to a shop, talking with an employee.
2000 I was using the phone to order something. Still talking with a human however.
but now?
Now I get a list by internet, I check what I need with the mouse, payment by creditcard.

I have no idea who is the person on the other side processing my requests.
Even a phone call will be answered by a machine...and it will take a while to talk to an operator.
No idea anymore who is who...

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Re: What a difference 1,300 miles (and 20 years) can make!

Post by E Irizarry R&B Singer » February 13th, 2019, 10:41 pm

growup wrote:
August 9th, 2018, 9:13 pm
My dear, it might just be you, or it may be the places you're going.
I was just in Chicago in May, and while I don't frequent bars at all, I did get to catch up with some friends and even met some new people.
Best of luck :)
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