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Re: How marriage/society works

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Outcast9428 wrote:
September 12th, 2022, 8:39 pm
ArchibaultNew wrote:
September 12th, 2022, 7:26 pm
The REAL problem is Radical Left wingers who want to "reimagine society" and not promiscuous people.

People in Conservative society are promiscuous and they keep it to themselves.
No they aren’t. We don’t want people to just “keep it to themselves” we want them to stop being degenerates. Promiscuous people are a big part of the problem. Just because the radical left is even worse doesn’t mean they are guilt free.

A lot of right-leaning liberals and even some mainstream conservatives ask me why I focus so much on criticizing the liberals instead of the radical left. The reason is simple... The radical left has not actually won. In-fact, they are not even close to winning. They are widely despised by the population and retreating on all fronts. They're losing control over Twitter and even companies like Netflix, CNN, and Saturday Night Live are purging radical leftists from their staff and abandoning woke projects. I see less gay shit on TV now compared to in the 2017-2020 era. In the midterm election, the radical left very well could end up losing control over half the US government.

I do think a lot of the Republican Party's victories can be attributed to the absolute insanity of the modern day Democratic Party. If we were facing off against the 1990s Democratic party on the other hand, we would be hosed. The Democrats are right about one thing. America is a broadly liberal country, especially certain areas of it. The radical left has not won but liberalism has. The majority of the country is not even remotely conservative and most of the people who are conservative are half assed conservatives who incorporate a lot of liberal values into their conservatism.

So I feel a lot more compelled to attack liberalism then to attack the radical left because everybody is attacking the radical left. Everybody hates them. Even Bill Maher hates the radical left and he's a self-described socialist. I almost never actually meet crazy SJW type people in real life. This is a problem that is going to correct itself because the wokes are not only deeply unpopular but are also really stupid and incompetent. Their ideas appeal to basically no one who isn't mentally ill.

Liberalism on the other hand, is taken for granted in America. In 2016-2021 I honestly believed that the conservatives had given up on the battle against liberalism and just accepted it as inevitable. The overturning of Roe V. Wade has really breathed life into the conservative movement, giving true social conservatism an actual victory to celebrate. The first time we've taken back ground from the left since the 1950s. It has proven to us that the battle against liberalism is not over and we can still win. I am much much more concerned about liberalism permanently destroying conservative values then I am about the radical left ever getting its way in America.

If you live in a country like Canada or the UK, on the other hand, I can understand mostly focusing on the radical left. Trying to defeat liberalism in those countries is a lost cause.
You can't "patrol" people nor control what they do in their private lives. I think Promiscuity should be accepted in society as long as it kept under wraps. What you can do is to remove all that and put in the "Private Sphere" as opposed to the Public sphere like on TV. For instance, I did not like in the Amber Heard trial she talks about her defecating on johnny's bed. I think all that should NEVER be made public and shared with the masses. It lowers the culture level of societies.
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MarcosZeitola wrote:
September 13th, 2022, 7:57 pm
How to ensure one's whores are free of disease when they spread their legs for anyone with a full wallet?
That is simply a practical question to be dealt with. It should be reasonably easy these days. The porn industry does it fairly well. Sex with hos in a well run brothel could easily be made vastly safer than sex with the average bar skank.
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Re: How marriage/society works

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ArchibaultNew wrote:
September 13th, 2022, 7:21 pm
Outcast9428 wrote:
September 12th, 2022, 8:39 pm
ArchibaultNew wrote:
September 12th, 2022, 7:26 pm
The REAL problem is Radical Left wingers who want to "reimagine society" and not promiscuous people.

People in Conservative society are promiscuous and they keep it to themselves.
No they aren’t. We don’t want people to just “keep it to themselves” we want them to stop being degenerates. Promiscuous people are a big part of the problem. Just because the radical left is even worse doesn’t mean they are guilt free.

A lot of right-leaning liberals and even some mainstream conservatives ask me why I focus so much on criticizing the liberals instead of the radical left. The reason is simple... The radical left has not actually won. In-fact, they are not even close to winning. They are widely despised by the population and retreating on all fronts. They're losing control over Twitter and even companies like Netflix, CNN, and Saturday Night Live are purging radical leftists from their staff and abandoning woke projects. I see less gay shit on TV now compared to in the 2017-2020 era. In the midterm election, the radical left very well could end up losing control over half the US government.

I do think a lot of the Republican Party's victories can be attributed to the absolute insanity of the modern day Democratic Party. If we were facing off against the 1990s Democratic party on the other hand, we would be hosed. The Democrats are right about one thing. America is a broadly liberal country, especially certain areas of it. The radical left has not won but liberalism has. The majority of the country is not even remotely conservative and most of the people who are conservative are half assed conservatives who incorporate a lot of liberal values into their conservatism.

So I feel a lot more compelled to attack liberalism then to attack the radical left because everybody is attacking the radical left. Everybody hates them. Even Bill Maher hates the radical left and he's a self-described socialist. I almost never actually meet crazy SJW type people in real life. This is a problem that is going to correct itself because the wokes are not only deeply unpopular but are also really stupid and incompetent. Their ideas appeal to basically no one who isn't mentally ill.

Liberalism on the other hand, is taken for granted in America. In 2016-2021 I honestly believed that the conservatives had given up on the battle against liberalism and just accepted it as inevitable. The overturning of Roe V. Wade has really breathed life into the conservative movement, giving true social conservatism an actual victory to celebrate. The first time we've taken back ground from the left since the 1950s. It has proven to us that the battle against liberalism is not over and we can still win. I am much much more concerned about liberalism permanently destroying conservative values then I am about the radical left ever getting its way in America.

If you live in a country like Canada or the UK, on the other hand, I can understand mostly focusing on the radical left. Trying to defeat liberalism in those countries is a lost cause.
You can't "patrol" people nor control what they do in their private lives. I think Promiscuity should be accepted in society as long as it kept under wraps. What you can do is to remove all that and put in the "Private Sphere" as opposed to the Public sphere like on TV. For instance, I did not like in the Amber Heard trial she talks about her defecating on johnny's bed. I think all that should NEVER be made public and shared with the masses. It lowers the culture level of societies.
Yes you can… It’s not even that difficult. I saw Hungary accomplish it. The nightclubs there are a completely different experience from American nightclubs. Japan and South Korea don’t really have a hookup culture either. For the most part all you really need to do is criminalize abortion, teach traditional values in your schools, and don’t show hookups as being a thing in your media.
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Re: How marriage/society works

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MarcosZeitola wrote:
September 13th, 2022, 7:57 pm
Cornfed wrote:
September 10th, 2022, 3:45 pm
You could see the precursor to society as everyone doing their own thing, taking care of themselves, people f***ing whenever they want and women raising any resulting children.

The problem with this situation is that people have difficulty gathering resources and protecting themselves on their own, so you would expect bands of men to get together and cooperate, which involves giving up some of your autonomy and generally accepting some form of leadership over you and some form of responsibility.

The problem then, outside of tropical abundance, is that women can't gather enough resources and need protection for themselves and their children. Hence they go to the men and strike a bargain. They will become the exclusive property of a particular man, only have sex with him, raise children guaranteed to be his and so provide him with a mini-army in later life and a legacy. He and his group will in return provide her with resources and protection. That is the mutually beneficial deal that efficiently solves the problem. There is no reason for the man to owe the woman sexual fidelity or obedience or the woman to owe the man resources and protection.

This is the only viable way to live in the current universe. Of course if it succeeds very well it will accumulate resources and then people may use the resources to fund their deviant selfish whims for a while, which in short order will cause the society to crash and burn, as is happening now.
This is all very fair but men sleeping with prostitutes isn't without risks; in "the olden days" syphilis was a HUGE problem and men would bring that home to their wives, spread it and even kids would be born with syphilis. I just read a while ago about the French composed Emmanuel Chabrier who gave his wife syphilis. It did not only kill him, it also blinded his wife and caused her to die a few years after Chabrier, even his two sons both died before 35 because of the disease.

How to ensure one's whores are free of disease when they spread their legs for anyone with a full wallet? It's a risky endeavour. Perhaps a more practical solution would be for a man to entertain perhaps one long term mistress he'd see every once in a while. Prostitution, as a rule, is a nasty profession. And it's caused as many problems, historically, as it solved.
No Cornfed has a point about at least limiting these behaviors to prostitutes. It’s bad but it’s definitely the lesser of the two evils. A mistress is either going to be a married woman or a single woman… Neither of whom have any business messing around with a married man. A prostitute at least… That is her job.
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Re: How marriage/society works

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Outcast9428 wrote:
September 14th, 2022, 12:25 am
ArchibaultNew wrote:
September 13th, 2022, 7:21 pm
Outcast9428 wrote:
September 12th, 2022, 8:39 pm
ArchibaultNew wrote:
September 12th, 2022, 7:26 pm
The REAL problem is Radical Left wingers who want to "reimagine society" and not promiscuous people.

People in Conservative society are promiscuous and they keep it to themselves.
No they aren’t. We don’t want people to just “keep it to themselves” we want them to stop being degenerates. Promiscuous people are a big part of the problem. Just because the radical left is even worse doesn’t mean they are guilt free.

A lot of right-leaning liberals and even some mainstream conservatives ask me why I focus so much on criticizing the liberals instead of the radical left. The reason is simple... The radical left has not actually won. In-fact, they are not even close to winning. They are widely despised by the population and retreating on all fronts. They're losing control over Twitter and even companies like Netflix, CNN, and Saturday Night Live are purging radical leftists from their staff and abandoning woke projects. I see less gay shit on TV now compared to in the 2017-2020 era. In the midterm election, the radical left very well could end up losing control over half the US government.

I do think a lot of the Republican Party's victories can be attributed to the absolute insanity of the modern day Democratic Party. If we were facing off against the 1990s Democratic party on the other hand, we would be hosed. The Democrats are right about one thing. America is a broadly liberal country, especially certain areas of it. The radical left has not won but liberalism has. The majority of the country is not even remotely conservative and most of the people who are conservative are half assed conservatives who incorporate a lot of liberal values into their conservatism.

So I feel a lot more compelled to attack liberalism then to attack the radical left because everybody is attacking the radical left. Everybody hates them. Even Bill Maher hates the radical left and he's a self-described socialist. I almost never actually meet crazy SJW type people in real life. This is a problem that is going to correct itself because the wokes are not only deeply unpopular but are also really stupid and incompetent. Their ideas appeal to basically no one who isn't mentally ill.

Liberalism on the other hand, is taken for granted in America. In 2016-2021 I honestly believed that the conservatives had given up on the battle against liberalism and just accepted it as inevitable. The overturning of Roe V. Wade has really breathed life into the conservative movement, giving true social conservatism an actual victory to celebrate. The first time we've taken back ground from the left since the 1950s. It has proven to us that the battle against liberalism is not over and we can still win. I am much much more concerned about liberalism permanently destroying conservative values then I am about the radical left ever getting its way in America.

If you live in a country like Canada or the UK, on the other hand, I can understand mostly focusing on the radical left. Trying to defeat liberalism in those countries is a lost cause.
You can't "patrol" people nor control what they do in their private lives. I think Promiscuity should be accepted in society as long as it kept under wraps. What you can do is to remove all that and put in the "Private Sphere" as opposed to the Public sphere like on TV. For instance, I did not like in the Amber Heard trial she talks about her defecating on johnny's bed. I think all that should NEVER be made public and shared with the masses. It lowers the culture level of societies.
Yes you can… It’s not even that difficult. I saw Hungary accomplish it. The nightclubs there are a completely different experience from American nightclubs. Japan and South Korea don’t really have a hookup culture either. For the most part all you really need to do is criminalize abortion, teach traditional values in your schools, and don’t show hookups as being a thing in your media.
But Hungary also has Porn Stars like Tiffany Tatum. I'm not sure what you are arguing for. At the end of the day, what I am arguing against is LGBT content hammered to the TV. While I advocate for "sexual freedom": for heterosexual men. Like you mentioned Cornfed and others have written that brothels should be legal and they should hidden. They should be part of men going to bang hookers like it happens in South Korea or even Japan. Married men going there. It doesn't happen in America since they have strong control over men's sexual choices.

It seems you dislike "hook up" culture since you aren't succesful at it, am I right?
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Re: How marriage/society works

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ArchibaultNew wrote:
September 15th, 2022, 10:23 am
Outcast9428 wrote:
September 14th, 2022, 12:25 am
ArchibaultNew wrote:
September 13th, 2022, 7:21 pm
Outcast9428 wrote:
September 12th, 2022, 8:39 pm
ArchibaultNew wrote:
September 12th, 2022, 7:26 pm
The REAL problem is Radical Left wingers who want to "reimagine society" and not promiscuous people.

People in Conservative society are promiscuous and they keep it to themselves.
No they aren’t. We don’t want people to just “keep it to themselves” we want them to stop being degenerates. Promiscuous people are a big part of the problem. Just because the radical left is even worse doesn’t mean they are guilt free.

A lot of right-leaning liberals and even some mainstream conservatives ask me why I focus so much on criticizing the liberals instead of the radical left. The reason is simple... The radical left has not actually won. In-fact, they are not even close to winning. They are widely despised by the population and retreating on all fronts. They're losing control over Twitter and even companies like Netflix, CNN, and Saturday Night Live are purging radical leftists from their staff and abandoning woke projects. I see less gay shit on TV now compared to in the 2017-2020 era. In the midterm election, the radical left very well could end up losing control over half the US government.

I do think a lot of the Republican Party's victories can be attributed to the absolute insanity of the modern day Democratic Party. If we were facing off against the 1990s Democratic party on the other hand, we would be hosed. The Democrats are right about one thing. America is a broadly liberal country, especially certain areas of it. The radical left has not won but liberalism has. The majority of the country is not even remotely conservative and most of the people who are conservative are half assed conservatives who incorporate a lot of liberal values into their conservatism.

So I feel a lot more compelled to attack liberalism then to attack the radical left because everybody is attacking the radical left. Everybody hates them. Even Bill Maher hates the radical left and he's a self-described socialist. I almost never actually meet crazy SJW type people in real life. This is a problem that is going to correct itself because the wokes are not only deeply unpopular but are also really stupid and incompetent. Their ideas appeal to basically no one who isn't mentally ill.

Liberalism on the other hand, is taken for granted in America. In 2016-2021 I honestly believed that the conservatives had given up on the battle against liberalism and just accepted it as inevitable. The overturning of Roe V. Wade has really breathed life into the conservative movement, giving true social conservatism an actual victory to celebrate. The first time we've taken back ground from the left since the 1950s. It has proven to us that the battle against liberalism is not over and we can still win. I am much much more concerned about liberalism permanently destroying conservative values then I am about the radical left ever getting its way in America.

If you live in a country like Canada or the UK, on the other hand, I can understand mostly focusing on the radical left. Trying to defeat liberalism in those countries is a lost cause.
You can't "patrol" people nor control what they do in their private lives. I think Promiscuity should be accepted in society as long as it kept under wraps. What you can do is to remove all that and put in the "Private Sphere" as opposed to the Public sphere like on TV. For instance, I did not like in the Amber Heard trial she talks about her defecating on johnny's bed. I think all that should NEVER be made public and shared with the masses. It lowers the culture level of societies.
Yes you can… It’s not even that difficult. I saw Hungary accomplish it. The nightclubs there are a completely different experience from American nightclubs. Japan and South Korea don’t really have a hookup culture either. For the most part all you really need to do is criminalize abortion, teach traditional values in your schools, and don’t show hookups as being a thing in your media.
But Hungary also has Porn Stars like Tiffany Tatum. I'm not sure what you are arguing for. At the end of the day, what I am arguing against is LGBT content hammered to the TV. While I advocate for "sexual freedom": for heterosexual men. Like you mentioned Cornfed and others have written that brothels should be legal and they should hidden. They should be part of men going to bang hookers like it happens in South Korea or even Japan. Married men going there. It doesn't happen in America since they have strong control over men's sexual choices.

It seems you dislike "hook up" culture since you aren't succesful at it, am I right?
No I'll tell you why I hate hookup culture.

My college had an extreme hookup culture. It was not uncommon to meet both guys and girls who had slept with 20-30 people in a single year and they would openly brag about it too. Many of these people were getting blackout drunk 2 or 3 times a week. I saw my roommate at college rapidly descend into alcoholism and everybody just acted like it was cool. He averaged 18-20 shots and beers per night. He would actually pregame the pregame for the party. As in, he would drink like 8 shots or beers with a bunch of people in our dorm room before heading out to the pregame. Apparently he often blacked out before the party even began because he would drink so much while pregaming. I would bring this stuff up to people in our hall and they'd say "oh he only does that 2 or 3 times a week, he's fine." So drinking to the point of vomiting and passing out 2 or 3 times a week is apparently healthy?

There were no couples to be found at my college campus. I rarely ever saw anybody holding hands, never saw couples hugging each other around campus, never once saw a couple kissing. Guys and girls rarely walked together as a couple. As a group, sure, but rarely as a couple. I did not know anyone who found a girlfriend at my college. I knew people who had girlfriends from high school, and other people who found girlfriends outside of our college. I did not know a single person who actually met a girl at my college and dated her. The reason why is because the hookup culture made it f***ing impossible for things like that to form. Both guys and girls treated anybody who was interested in seeing them for more then one drunken night of sex like they were some needy freak. At first I thought it was just me but my friend told me about a sorority girl he was studying with at the library who had apparently slept with a guy the previous night. The guy started texting her, asking if she wanted to go out somewhere and she told my friend "wtf is wrong with this guy? Why is he texting me now?"

I heard several frat boy types saying similar stuff. They'd see a girl out in public and say "goddamn it I hate it when you're out on campus and see a girl you slept with." Hookup culture creates this bizarre animosity between men and women where they act borderline hostile towards one another while still having sex with one another. There's this sense of "okay we had sex, now get the f**k out and never let me see your face again." The feeling of a girl doing that to you is so alienating that its not even worth having the hookup to begin with because you feel such shit afterward. You feel like you might as well have gotten rejected even if she hooked up with you. It feels almost like the fast food of sex. Cheap, fast, low quality, doesn't really satisfy anything.

Even going to prostitutes is not like that. I've had several "favorite dancers" over the years who I saw repeatedly and formed something akin to a friendship with. Many other guys I've met who regularly go to strip clubs say the same thing. That's what people who don't go to strip clubs don't understand. They act so confused as to why I support prostitution but hate hookup culture and that's a big reason why. It is regular, and often that you can have something that feels kind of like having a girlfriend at strip clubs. Its definitely not as good as having a girlfriend don't get me wrong. But it can kind of feel like it. I remember once going into a strip club and my favorite dancer ran off the stage, yelled my name, pounced me onto the couch and covered my face in kisses. You never experience things like that with hookup culture. With hookup culture you feel like a ragdoll that's squeezed and thrown out the door. At strip clubs, my favorite dancers and I would sit together, cuddling and talking for hours. The longest I've ever spent with a dancer was 5 hours and she didn't even charge me for it. A couple dancers I've even seen outside of the club. I was friends with one dancer for an entire year, we texted and hung out all the time. If I saw one of them out in public someday, it wouldn't be like this "wtf, how dare you enter my line of sight in public!" Sort of feeling. We would probably just say hi, have some small talk and that's it. Going to strippers is not the cold, empty experience that everybody who has never stepped into a strip club in their life acts like it is. What they act like strip clubs and brothels feel like is actually what hookup culture feels like.
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