Ghost wrote: ↑August 21st, 2018, 10:31 am
Darrell_Johnston wrote: ↑August 20th, 2018, 10:07 am
An entity theorist would email a resume to a company and do nothing more. If he even bothers at all. He will insist that its not worth anymore energy because he knows the odds are so low, so why bother?.
An incremental theorist will recognise that this is a very difficult task to achieve and figure out how to get in with the company, can he network with the owners of the company some how? Can he get an introduction? Or can he find out where the staff of the company like to party and rub shoulders and get leads?. Can he come up with a deal or proposal to help that company that the company couldn't refuse?.
And in the incremental theorist's case, it wouldn't help him. That is, doing those things wouldn't help him in the current job market. His go-get-'em attitude won't undo cold, hard reality.
He wouldn't know if it would help him or not until he tried.....An IT (Incremental theorist) would try everything he can though, an entity theorist would not. Winning is never guaranteed by doing your best....but it sure increases the odds. But losing is 100% guaranteed if you give up before trying everything you possibly could.
Same for the entity theorist. If the entity theorist didn't put much effort in, but had sufficient connections, or a family member in the field, his chances would be much higher for getting a good job.
But if he is an entity theorist....unless he changes.....he doesn't stand much chance at doing well at that job, or even holding it down. I worked with a guy like that whose dad was best friends with the cub owner so he got the job as entertainments manager.....and he sucked, he kept losing money for the company and his dad had to pay the money they lost to the club to compensate and keep him in a job. No one liked working with him and he eventually got fired.
you cannot self improve your way into success,
Bruce Lee, Arnie, Mike Tyson, Connor McGregor, just a few examples of people who would disagree with you. Their success was 100% attributed to slow INCREMENTAL dedication to improvement of their skill sets.
not your attitude or positive thinking.
I don't know if you have ever worked in sales....I have.....if you haven't, speak to someone who has, or if you have worked in sales you will know what I mean when I say that having a positive mindset increases your sales success and being in a negative state of mind decreases it.
Of if you have known anyone to run a company, they will tell you that if they hire negative staff, the company will do worse than if they employ positive staff.
Besides that.....Implicit theories of intelligence is not about positive attitude or mindset.......its about each individuals belief about their own ability.
Ghost wrote: ↑August 21st, 2018, 10:31 am
Darrell_Johnston wrote: ↑August 20th, 2018, 10:07 am
And in the end if he tried every possible angle he could think of to make it happen but it still didn't end up going his way, he knows he still tried his best and he will try again elsewhere or he can travel to where there is more work or try a new avenue of career, you have to have plan B's and plan C's anyway. If he cant find money from his passion and has to work at something else he will still continue his passions in his spare time until he figures out a way he can make money from his passion, can he freelance on the side? can he save up from his job to create his own business where he can work in his passion and maybe even employ others? can he network with others if he needs help?.
So in other words, things didn't work out in his own country because the deck is stacked against him, so he needs to go abroad.
Well, thats just one possibility that I mentioned out of several, and you micro focused on that while ignoring all the other possibilities, the possibilities are not just restricted to the ones I mentioned either......there are many more. I do not talk in absolutes and present one way as the only way and ignore everything else. Yes.....travel is a very viable option, if there are more jobs and higher salary else where then moving is a very intelligent thing to do
Ghost wrote: ↑August 21st, 2018, 10:31 am
Darrell_Johnston wrote: ↑August 20th, 2018, 10:07 am
I wanted to be a DJ and half the country was a DJ and there are very few good night clubs, no one knew who I was so I couldnt get booked anywhere. I rented out my local bar and invited young DJs from my community and I booked my self to play.
I wanted to play in the biggest Dance music festival in my region but I wasnt well known enough and a big festival can choose from tens of thousands of DJ's, so sending my CV would have been pointless. Instead I emailed them and proposed that I would put a small stage in their festival for free if they allow me to have a free stall there to sell drinks and food, they agreed and I networked with a dutch party promoter to borrow all the equipment, that was great exposure and that spring boarded a 20 year career playing in over 13 countries as well all over my own country.
Then there was nothing in cold, hard, objective, reality that prevented you. Had those festival organizers decided that they didn't accept outside soliciting emails, nothing you could have done would've worked.
That is entity theory right there in a nut shell. "They didn't reply to the email, don't bother do anything else, it won't work".
If they didn't reply to my email.....there are other strategies I could have implemented. I could show up to their office and ask to have a meeting with the boss. Go the the festival its self and approach him face to face. I think I might know what you are thinking now and that is....."even if you did manage to nail down a meeting they can still decline your offer". And this is totally true, like I already said earlier....
"He wouldn't know if it would help him or not until he tried.....An IT (Incremental theorist) would try everything he can though, an entity theorist would not. Winning is never guaranteed by doing your best....but it sure increases the odds. But losing is 100% guaranteed if you give up before trying everything you possibly could"
Also, I don't know if we are both discussing looking for employment in something you are passionate about or just getting employed in any job in order to make money. I am personally talking about living life through your passions being the key to happiness and enjoyment of life. And we also have to presume that the person knows that they have the skills required to deliver, and skill are developed through putting in hours and months and years of dedication......thats called.....wait for it.....improvement.
Look at that will smith movie "pursuit of happiness" here you see a text book incremental theorist who is passionate about sales, marketing and numbers, he stands out side the office every day till he gets to introduce himself to the CEO, and no matter what obstacles life throws at him, he keeps working his shitty job but puts all his extra energy into applying himself for the job he wants. That is incremtalism on steroids.
And if push comes to shove and I did try everything I possibly could and I still didn't get the position, I know I did my best and I would still pursue my passion through other outlets. At the very least I had made a new acquaintance and increased possibility of getting booked for the festival in the future. I would continue working a regular job and perfecting my skills to make myself more hirable and promoting myself in as many ways as I can think of, as long as I was getting to live through my passion it wouldnt matter to me if I played in small bars my whole life or if I became the biggest DJ in the world, obviously the latter is the preferred, but nothing would have ever stopped me pursuing my passion.
Funny enough, when I first started, many pf my friends tried to push entity theory on me....."no one is going to like your music", "You really think you can make it" etc.....I wasn't going to let their defeatism stop me, I said " I'm still going to try my best" and I did. And I played to rooms of 30 people for the first year, good job I didn't let my lack of success at the beginning define who I was and give up.
An entity theorist would never put all that effort in to get what he wants.
It seems anyone who puts in all the effort but still fails anyway because of things outside of his control, you will just automatically group into the 'entity theorist' camp, whether or not he even agrees with it.
For the record, everybody is part entity and part incremental. But no, someone who tries everything they possibly can in their power is not applying entity theory to his practice, he is applying incremental, because and entity theorist would not try everything he possibly could, he perceived bar of limitation is set lower than what the actual bar is......and no one knows where the limit is until they have reached it.
Now how about all the non-extreme examples of men who are trying their damndest to make life work but are failing due to objective factors far outside of their control? I'm talking about the men who have applied for hundreds or thousands of jobs but get nothing. I'm talking about the men who just want a foothold in their own countries but can't even get a basic life started, and not for lack of trying.
See everything I said above.
so don't give me these bullshit examples of a man who applied for three jobs and quit. That is not a typical example.
I wasnt specifically giving those examples to YOU. Cornfed brought up how he thought when taken to extreme that its insane, I agreed and gave two extreme cases and outlined how extremism can lead to insanity.
The example of the guy from London was very relevant to this discussion, it shows how that applying entity theory to EVERYTHING in your life leads to zero action, zero results, increases stress, boredom, negativity, anxiety and depletes him of all the necessary skills he needs for life because he is not improving his ability at anything at all and ultimately has no skill or value to offer to the world.
If you apply entity theory to everything in life.....nothing gets done. If you apply incremental theory to everything in life......you are never guaranteed to succeed in every single thing you try, but if you are putting 100% into everything you try and you apply yourself to as many things as possible, you are going to succeed in many, many ways.