One reason for arranged marrages

[Adama]

One reason for arranged marriages
1 .They work
The lowest divorce rates in the world are in cultures with high rates of arranged marriages such as Amish culture of United States (1%), Hindus of India (3%), and Ultra-Orthodox Jews of Israel (7%).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arranged_marriage

Of course nobody will ever tell you if these marriages work because the couple keeps loving each other, or because, in those same cultures, separation and divorce are seen as taboos, the inlaws and always involved and would never approve the financial disaster that would derive from a legal demise of the marriage contract, etc.

An arranged marriage might look more solid than most, at face value but isn't necessarily a more successful or a happier one.

NO!

These arranged marriages happen in the same "culture" and "geographical area" as non-arranged marriages
They women have the same laws and legal protections.

Arranged Marriages
IT WORKS
DEAL WITH IT

WARNING MALE FEMINISTS ...

I don't know why people make such a big stink. I remember a woman named VenusDeIndia who used to roam the ManOsphere. Her family sought an arranged marriage for her. She wrote on how she refused a few different men.

In other words, she still had a choice, but her family gave her the men to choose from. Kind of like the presidential candidates.

[MrMan]

I mostly agree with you. You ever read the Bible? In one example, Caleb tells a group of men, something like, Whoever wins this battle can have my daughter as his wife. In other words, Caleb simply chose his daugher's husband based upon the man doing something for him.

Those are some interesting stories you mentioned. The man who got Caleb's daugher in marriage took a city. She ended up marrying her first cousin... which isn't incest Biblically.

Since he took the city, he was probably a high status man at that point, and one a lot of girls would have been happy to be married off to. That's a bit of speculation on my part. We don't know what he looked like.

Another story, Saul, Israel's first king before David, told David that, if he were to kill a certain number of Philistine enemies (with proof), that he would give David one of his daughters.

Philistine foreskins for a bride price. The girl was already in love with him.

The bride price and arranged marriage thing probably worked a lot better in a culture where that was the norm. The women back then didn't have thousands of hours of TV and Disney movies about what marriage is supposed to be like, and films that directly attacked arranged marriage. They still have arranged marriage in India, and for some of those women the way they are raised, that must be the norm.




Same with Jacob marrying Leah and Rachel. Same with Moses's first wife.

What does that tell you about marriage?

You are especially right about that list, but few are able to accept it. Evil women who are in relationships now flirt (lust) to inflate their egos. They dress lower than prostitutes do. They are completely in love with themselves and will not honor their male partners or men period. Don't expect them to try to please you or lift a finger for you, as they really have deceived themselves into thinking that men were made to serve them.

In other words, they have turned the natural use into that which is against nature, just like homosexuals. They are set on those things which are inconvenient, as Apostle Paul would tell us. They have perverted their natural use, to become lords over men, when they made to serve men.

That's why feminists hate the Bible and real Christianity. But that just means that they'll see eternal destruction (and it is over one billion times worse than the obvious description written), for serving themselves as gods (to follow their own will instead of God's Will), rather than submitting and humbling themselves to obey Christ.
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[Adama]

The idea of romantic love being the primary way to choose a partner is very resent. I my opinion much of main stream media consistently indulges female vice. Many common female habits today were the exclusive domain of prostitutes a century ago.

I also believe there is a satanic conspiracy to exalt everything female, to turn the world into matriarchy, and to have women rule. You'll even see people nowadays wearing T shirts that say, "The Future is Female."

This is also why they give the children to the mothers, when the whole family is called by the man's name. That's why the woman has her husband's last name. The woman and the children belong to him. Any woman who removes the children from their father has sinned both against the father and her own children; because the house is the inheritance of the father, and the glory of children is their father. She's injured both parties, and by doing so, she has also injured her own soul, by thinking she gets to disinherit the husband from his inheritance which God gave him. Whoops. That's what they get for following man's wisdom.

In other words, a woman who removes the children from their father has sinned against the man, the children and herself, because the family belongs to the man. It is the man's gift to him from God, and she has torn that asunder, which means she will pay a penalty. The father also is their children's glory. So has taken away her own children's glory, which is also will have to answer for.

[Adama]

Warning Male Feminists Hate Arranged Marriages.

By definition, male feminists are confused about the natural order. Therefore they really do support disorder and confusion. Unfortunately for them, this means they're self-plagued with evil things.

[AkitaMan]

Divorce Rate: Not just a good indicator it is the best indicator of a "successful marriage".
"Good point about divorce rates not being an indicator of a successful marriage."

What information do you have that proves divorce rates are the best indicator?

When I arrived in Japan, I found that Japanese were quick to use the US' high divorce rate as evidence that the US was dysfunctional (in other words, that Japan was culturally superior). Be that as it may, I was struck by how often some of these people would eventually say something indicating that that they were stuck in bad marriages. If it didn't feel inappropriate, I'd sometimes ask if they'd considered divorce (not to encourage it, but just to ask how unhappy they were). They often said the thought had crossed their mind, but that social pressure was too much of an obstacle. I knew divorced people as well in Japan, so it does happen. But when I thought about the unhappy people who were stuck, I wondered if Japan's low divorce rate was really evidence of a better culture. Maybe the US has gotten to the point of realizing that it isn't worth it for people to stay in dead marriages, but the culture was in a period of excess until it finds more balance. Hence my post about my support of a more evolved approach to arranged marriages.

BULLSHIT!
"A lot of people in arranged marriages are basically stuck with each other."
Couples in Arranged Marriages are under the same Laws and Protections as Non-Arranged Marriages.

In either situation, the laws and protections don't create something that isn't there. If either person doesn't have the earning potential to pay support payments or support themselves after the divorce, they'll often feel stuck and will choose to just keep the necessary distance within the marriage. Then pile on the social stigma that exists in some cultures.

An Indian man on another forum was talking about how feminism had made relationships there such a liability for men. I asked him if men were starting to avoid marriage, and he basically said that avoiding marriage would be even more dangerous. If that's how it is, there's certainly a harsh stigma around divorce.

Warning Male Feminists Hate Arranged Marriages.

The "real man" shaming tactic?

[publicduende]

When I arrived in Japan, I found that Japanese were quick to use the US' high divorce rate as evidence that the US was dysfunctional (in other words, that Japan was culturally superior). Be that as it may, I was struck by how often some of these people would eventually say something indicating that that they were stuck in bad marriages. If it didn't feel inappropriate, I'd sometimes ask if they'd considered divorce (not to encourage it, but just to ask how unhappy they were). They often said the thought had crossed their mind, but that social pressure was too much of an obstacle. I knew divorced people as well in Japan, so it does happen. But when I thought about the unhappy people who were stuck, I wondered if Japan's low divorce rate was really evidence of a better culture. Maybe the US has gotten to the point of realizing that it isn't worth it for people to stay in dead marriages, but the culture was in a period of excess until it finds more balance. Hence my post about my support of a more evolved approach to arranged marriages.

Excellent insight. If you're still in Japan to these days, you might have noticed the social phenomenon taken to the opposite extreme: couple just won't be bothered to get married in the first place.

Many Japanese men and women seem to have escaped the social pressure of getting married and starting a family. The (often sporadic) times a man is horny, he can always hire a prostitute or cater for his fantasies in one of the many specialised parlours available.

I have a friend, a French man, who is living in Japan, working for an investment bank. His wife is Singaporean Chinese and putting her best efforts to learn Japanese, so she is the one in the couple "with the antennas out there". She told me she knows few couples who are divorced but even fewer couples who are married! There is space for the hook-up culture, there's space for any sexual fantasy to be fulfilled by theme hotels, costume-dressed girls and similar. Apparently, there is less and less space for marriage.

An Indian man on another forum was talking about how feminism had made relationships there such a liability for men. I asked him if men were starting to avoid marriage, and he basically said that avoiding marriage would be even more dangerous. If that's how it is, there's certainly a harsh stigma around divorce.

That's a nasty one to avoid. Stuck between a rock and a hard place. The only way forward is to patiently wait for the social pressure to get married to wane and then just "be modern" and avoid marriage wherever possible.

[Cornfed]

If it didn't feel inappropriate, I'd sometimes ask if they'd considered divorce (not to encourage it, but just to ask how unhappy they were). They often said the thought had crossed their mind, but that social pressure was too much of an obstacle.

So are you saying that you should just be allowed to do anything when the whim takes you? Renege on contracts, presumably rape and murder people whenever you feel like it etc.? Might there not be such a thing as "responsibility" and making longstanding agreements and being bound by their terms? Maybe maintaining civilization is not all about people's mindless whims.

[AkitaMan]

So are you saying that you should just be allowed to do anything when the whim takes you? Renege on contracts, presumably rape and murder people whenever you feel like it etc.?

You completely mischaracterized my post. I never said that people should be able to do whatever they want, including rape and murder, on a whim.

First, rape and murder have nothing to do with divorce. Rape and murder are direct, unilateral crimes of severe violence. Divorce is the act of freeing people from a dead, crushing marriage. It certainly should be avoided if at all possible, but there is a place for it. Society will never approve of rape and murder, but most societies do make at least a legal allowance for divorce.

If a husband rapes his wife so brutally that she's hospitalized for a few weeks, or if a wife attempts to murder her husband and leaves him in a wheelchair for life, should the victim be allowed to file for divorce? Would anybody actually see the divorce as being on par with the rape or murder? Are they even in the same ballpark?

It doesn't even have to require extreme violence. Sometimes people grow so far apart that remaining connected through marriage becomes a soul-crushing burden. The remedy isn't in forcing people to be stuck in favor of hyper-collectivism, but in developing a better approach for people to find a spouse and maintain a healthy marriage throughout their lives. In the unfortunate event that divorce becomes the best outcome for a particular marriage, it needs to be more humane for all parties involved (as in not reducing the father to a sperm-donor ATM, as in allowing more equal co-parenting after divorce, etc.).

Might there not be such a thing as "responsibility" and making longstanding agreements and being bound by their terms? Maybe maintaining civilization is not all about people's mindless whims.

Again, that's way too extreme. Forcing people to be bound like that leads to dysfunctional families. The adults can be so oppressed by their miserable circumstances that they don't function anywhere near their potential in any domain. Kids who grow up with such a poorly modelled marital dynamic have little chance of not subconsciously carrying that dysfunction into their own spouse selection and marital habits. That isn't very good for society.

[publicduende]

You completely mischaracterized my post. I never said that people should be able to do whatever they want, including rape and murder, on a whim.

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You must be new. Cornfed is the resident psycho, some of what he says rings true but he is often prone to abound on dark/pessimistic tones.

[AkitaMan]

You must be new. Cornfed is the resident psycho, some of what he says rings true but he is often prone to abound on dark/pessimistic tones.

Thanks for letting me know. That clarifies a few things.

[Yohan]

You completely mischaracterized my post. I never said that people should be able to do whatever they want, including rape and murder, on a whim.

To discuss any issue with Cornfed is about to compare the dust on the moon with the sand of a beach or to insist that black and white are the same colors. Something like that. Harmless but hopeless...

Cornfed is on my Ignore-List. I do not read his comments.

[publicduende]

Cornfed is on my Ignore-List. I do not read his comments.

I don’t have a completely negative view of him. Some of what he says makes sense. Still, most of his views especially on women and blacks are so bent beyond belief, it’s difficult to debate them, let alone entertain them.

[Cornfed]

It doesn't even have to require extreme violence. Sometimes people grow so far apart that remaining connected through marriage becomes a soul-crushing burden.

Most divorces are filed by females for frivolous bullshit reasons. This is a horrendous violent crime generally involving robbery and enslavement of the man and has tremendously damaging effects on the children and society generally. I think 25 out of the last 26 school mass shootings were committed by the children of solo-mothers or broken homes. Won’t someone please think of the children. Being a wife should be thought of as a job. You are not always going to be having a barrel of fun in your job and you shouldn’t expect that. If the wife is not starving or people can’t just come in and rape and murder her with impunity then she should be grateful. These things aren’t free.