Zyklon B was pesticide with hydrogen cyanide, as its core ingredient.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_cyanide
And yes, cyanide also kills mammals, including humans.
Zyklon B was pesticide with hydrogen cyanide, as its core ingredient.
Cyanide is a terminal respiratory chain inhibitor, so of course it kills all oxygen breathing organisms. The issue is whether you can use slow release bug spray granules to efficiently kill humans. The answer is no.
I think the answer is 2000 ppm, whereas for pure Chlorine gas, it's only 1000 ppm.
If you want to kill lots of people, the Jews worked out the most efficient method in Soviet times. Lead them one by one into a sound-proofed room, shoot them in the head, throw them down a chute into a vehicle and bury them in a trench in the woods. Other methods include force marching them out into the wilderness and leaving them to die of exposure, as in the Armenian genocide. If you get into this bug spray in leaky wooden shower rooms nonsense, you know someone is pulling your collective chain.S_Parc wrote: ↑April 16th, 2018, 6:55 pmI think the answer is 2000 ppm, whereas for pure Chlorine gas, it's only 1000 ppm.
So if you're short on funds, since Chlorine is heavily used in industry (& probably not available to all death camp commandants), better stick with the throwaway bug sprays.
The Germans were once considered the best chemical engineers in the world.Cornfed wrote: ↑April 16th, 2018, 7:38 pmIf you want to kill lots of people, the Jews worked out the most efficient method in Soviet times. Lead them one by one into a sound-proofed room, shoot them in the head, throw them down a chute into a vehicle and bury them in a trench in the woods. Other methods include force marching them out into the wilderness and leaving them to die of exposure, as in the Armenian genocide. If you get into this bug spray in leaky wooden shower rooms nonsense, you know someone is pulling your collective chain.S_Parc wrote: ↑April 16th, 2018, 6:55 pmI think the answer is 2000 ppm, whereas for pure Chlorine gas, it's only 1000 ppm.
So if you're short on funds, since Chlorine is heavily used in industry (& probably not available to all death camp commandants), better stick with the throwaway bug sprays.
S_Parc wrote: ↑April 16th, 2018, 6:37 pmZyklon B was pesticide with hydrogen cyanide, as its core ingredient.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_cyanide
And yes, cyanide also kills mammals, including humans.
I knew exactly one US 'Protestant' soldier who'd liberated Buchenwald and one Polish Jew, who'd survived Treblinka. Yes, both of 'em had died of old age as of now, so in effect, their stories are only with ppl who'd known them.Adama wrote: ↑April 16th, 2018, 8:19 pmIf they used Zyklon B to murder people, then how can the survivors go on TV (Shoah) interviews and talk about how they had swimming pools, prostitutes, and movies? Shouldn't they have been killed on day one, right after they were shaved before they took their Zyklon B showers?
Why would there be living quarters if they are just going to murder people? As soon as they come into the facility, wouldn't they just be sent straight to the gas chambers and then burned up?
How come they had time to get skinny and starve to death, if they were being gassed? Did they run out of Zyklon B?
How could any of them survive to tell any story whatsoever, if they were gassed as soon as they get there?
And if they were not gassed when they got there, then when were they gassed? Because obviously enough survived to tell the tale.
What's the purpose of the shaved heads? Why were they skinny as rails? Does this improve the gassing process?
Thank you. Doesn't that speak for itself?S_Parc wrote: ↑April 16th, 2018, 8:31 pmI knew exactly one US 'Protestant' soldier who'd liberated Buchenwald and one Polish Jew, who'd survived Treblinka. Yes, both of 'em had died of old age as of now, so in effect, their stories are only with ppl who'd known them.
The American soldier at Buchenwald was traumatized by his experiences and was told by his higher ups, to keep it quiet.
That makes me wonder. If the goal was simply to mass murder them, why bother with the labor part? Does the gas only come in for certain of them when German gets upset with them? That seems very inefficient. That sounds like it wasn't about holocausting at all, but about labor instead. Because if holocausting was the goal, then why not holocaust from the start?
My belief is that the Soviets and the Nazis were flip sides of the same coin. They were ferocious autocrats, who took full advantage of anyone below them.Adama wrote: ↑April 16th, 2018, 8:34 pmThat makes me wonder. If the goal was simply to mass murder them, why bother with the labor part? Does the gas only come in for certain of them when German gets upset with them? That seems very inefficient. That sounds like it wasn't about holocausting at all, but about labor instead. Because if holocausting was the goal, then why not holocaust from the start?
That's still just based on the history that has been presented to us. Behind the scenes, you'd have to wonder, why would the USA and Britain side with Stalin and the Soviets. I'd look deeply into that, before concluding that the story we've been told is accurate.S_Parc wrote: ↑April 16th, 2018, 8:49 pmMy belief is that the Soviets and the Nazis were flip sides of the same coin. They were ferocious autocrats, who took full advantage of anyone below them.Adama wrote: ↑April 16th, 2018, 8:34 pmThat makes me wonder. If the goal was simply to mass murder them, why bother with the labor part? Does the gas only come in for certain of them when German gets upset with them? That seems very inefficient. That sounds like it wasn't about holocausting at all, but about labor instead. Because if holocausting was the goal, then why not holocaust from the start?
In terms of mainstream society's POV, however, Stalin was an equal opportunity oppressor whereas Hitler only concentrated his wrath upon Jews.
Somehow, I believe the truth somewhere is in the middle. Both dictators were equally evil and fierce.
Since Stalin did ally with FDR and Churchill, he got a pass for his atrocities which many scholars have noted, exceeded that of Hitler, outside of the general war efforts.
Aha, you're just now noticing? The whole premise of this website is shit. Siteadmin is clearly mentally ill and so are his followersZero_Tolerance_Man wrote: ↑April 16th, 2018, 11:57 amThis is great. An anti-semetic forum with a bunch of ignorant morons. OP, your facts were clearly pulled out of your A$$ and you deserve to face what my own relatives did in the concentration camps, so F YOU.
Yep....MrLee4u wrote: ↑April 16th, 2018, 11:13 pmAha, you're just now noticing? The whole premise of this website is shit. Siteadmin is clearly mentally ill and so are his followersZero_Tolerance_Man wrote: ↑April 16th, 2018, 11:57 amThis is great. An anti-semetic forum with a bunch of ignorant morons. OP, your facts were clearly pulled out of your A$$ and you deserve to face what my own relatives did in the concentration camps, so F YOU.