Valuing Women as Fellow Human Beings

[Zambales]

You know, I don't feel like I was really fully conscious until I was about 25. Before that I had a poor grasp on logic and could only repeat ideas that were fed to me. It's easy to imagine that some people remain in that state their whole lives.

I woke up from my coma around the same kind of age once I distanced myself from relationships, television, newspapers and the rat race etc., and yes, logic, what a fantastic ally to have.

In a world where 70% of the planet's surface is made up of ocean and the remainder consists of bullshit, logic simplifies the complexity so it's hugely advantageous.

Where women are concerned, logic should play a role in determining their value. As men, are biggest downfall is over emphasizing on outer beauty and for the vast majority of us we've been guilty of this at some point in our lives. It's like a drug pulling us in and for many who can't resist the temptation it can lead to a life of misery.

Their value should be based on how they treat you and physical attraction should not take priority. For instance, a 6 or 7 who is happy to please you and won't give you much grief is a far better investment in the long term than a 9/10 who does the opposite. The latter therefore should be classed in the short term category without any emotion involved.

The "Who's got the best looking chick" competition should be avoided at all costs too as today's winner can easily transform into tomorrow's loser.

Intellectually, I know you are right. But I still could not have gone for a woman I considered a 6 or even a 7 for marriage. The biological side of things was too important. So I waited and prayed and got someone on the high end of the scale for my own personal tastes.

The thing is with 1 to 10 scale, it's an individual thing. Most of us can agree that some women are beautiful. But I remember seeing a guy post a girls picture on a thread saying a girl was a 9 or 10, and I thought she was a 5 or 6 on a 1 to 10 scale.

When I was younger I used to zoom in on the most attractive women but once I gained more experience and began disliking certain traits in females, physical attraction wasn't as important.

I actually fell in love with a 5/10 once. The first time I saw her I thought, no definitely not my type, but the thing was, my friend was dating her friend and we were usually in a group together so I got to know her and the attraction grew. Very feminine and very sexy but nothing special in the looks department.

[MrMan]

I actually fell in love with a 5/10 once. The first time I saw her I thought, no definitely not my type, but the thing was, my friend was dating her friend and we were usually in a group together so I got to know her and the attraction grew. Very feminine and very sexy but nothing special in the looks department.

Being attracted to 5s is a good skill to have for a single man, I suppose. I would imagine it opens up the dating pool. I have seen a lot of other men who seem to be like that. But I was never able to pull that off.

[Zambales]

I actually fell in love with a 5/10 once. The first time I saw her I thought, no definitely not my type, but the thing was, my friend was dating her friend and we were usually in a group together so I got to know her and the attraction grew. Very feminine and very sexy but nothing special in the looks department.

Being attracted to 5s is a good skill to have for a single man, I suppose. I would imagine it opens up the dating pool. I have seen a lot of other men who seem to be like that. But I was never able to pull that off.

You won't understand unless you've experienced it. I wasn't even interested in a relationship at the time especially with a 5/10 but her personality and sexiness ramped up her attraction and that's the point I'm trying to make. Average looking women were never on my radar but this experience taught me not to discount women who weren't in the higher group where looks were concerned.

I still target the best looking women but they have to meet my criteria by not crossing my boundaries. Equally important, they have to like me as much as I like them.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

If you are a man who thinks he NEEDS women, hopefully the below will help you realize the error of your ways.



Stay free; Stay MGTOW!

[HouseMD]

Most of the people on this site ironically center their lives around people that they claim to not value as humans. What does that say about them?

[growup]

Most of the people on this site ironically center their lives around people that they claim to not value as humans. What does that say about them?

I think you hit the nail on the head there.

[Cornfed]

Most of the people on this site ironically center their lives around people that they claim to not value as humans. What does that say about them?

A shepherd centers his live around sheep without regarding them as human because they have an economic use. Some people place importance on having an appropriate vessel to masturbate into.

[HouseMD]

Most of the people on this site ironically center their lives around people that they claim to not value as humans. What does that say about them?

A shepherd centers his live around sheep without regarding them as human because they have an economic use. Some people place importance on having an appropriate vessel to masturbate into.

Sheep provide food, clothing, and milk. To devote your life to what you view as a masturbatory vessel and nothing more is, quite frankly, pathetic

[Cornfed]

Sheep provide food, clothing, and milk. To devote your life to what you view as a masturbatory vessel and nothing more is, quite frankly, pathetic

I kind of agree, but enhanced masturbation seems to be important to a lot of people and hitherto there hasn't been a suitable replacement vessel.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

To devote your life to what you view as a masturbatory vessel and nothing more is, quite frankly, pathetic.

That would be true if it were actually the case. But people who are against:

-Anti-male legislation,
-Anti-male rhetoric and sentiment,
-Anti-male discrimination in public policy matters,
-The continued legal and financial subjugation of men via "The marriage bait and switch."
-The encouragement of false allegations against men,
-Disparate treatment of men in courts of law,
-The propagation of anti-male bigotry campaigns such as #MeToo, Manspreading, Mansplaining, Rape Culture, Yes sometimes means No, etc,

tend to be focused on raising awareness about Western misandry which has essentially doomed the West to a slow but certain death. Those of us who actually live outside of the West know this more than anyone.

So if one is under the impression that this debate is merely about those "walking vessels of coital friction," then he or she is willfully ignoring the fact that the aforementioned list of ills, and the "feminist/tradcon" men who benightedly perpetuate all of it, are more repugnant than these "vessels" you speak of could ever be.

For even greater context, I recommend the brilliant essay The Misandry Bubble linked below.

http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/ ... ubble.html

But what is most telling for me is that many of those who decry the back and forth in this debate are for some reason compelled to continue reading it. That is the true irony as I see it.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

Don't be this guy......



Stay MGTOW, a lifestyle of freedom, wealth, accomplishment, and far less needless stress.

[Nailer]

You know, I don't feel like I was really fully conscious until I was about 25. Before that I had a poor grasp on logic and could only repeat ideas that were fed to me. It's easy to imagine that some people remain in that state their whole lives.

Actually, what I am describing here is exactly what the NPC meme is all about. It's real.

[HouseMD]

To devote your life to what you view as a masturbatory vessel and nothing more is, quite frankly, pathetic.

That would be true if it were actually the case. But people who are against:

-Anti-male legislation,
-Anti-male rhetoric and sentiment,
-Anti-male discrimination in public policy matters,
-The continued legal and financial subjugation of men via "The marriage bait and switch."
-The encouragement of false allegations against men,
-Disparate treatment of men in courts of law,
-The propagation of anti-male bigotry campaigns such as #MeToo, Manspreading, Mansplaining, Rape Culture, Yes sometimes means No, etc,

tend to be focused on raising awareness about Western misandry which has essentially doomed the West to a slow but certain death. Those of us who actually live outside of the West know this more than anyone.

So if one is under the impression that this debate is merely about those "walking vessels of coital friction," then he or she is willfully ignoring the fact that the aforementioned list of ills, and the "feminist/tradcon" men who benightedly perpetuate all of it, are more repugnant than these "vessels" you speak of could ever be.

For even greater context, I recommend the brilliant essay The Misandry Bubble linked below.

http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/ ... ubble.html

But what is most telling for me is that many of those who decry the back and forth in this debate are for some reason compelled to continue reading it. That is the true irony as I see it.

Oh I just find it all a glorious train wreck to watch, as I was once a sad creature like yourselves and I saved my own ass. I'm living the life and it never would have happened if I had basically given up because I believed the deck was stacked against me. I succeeded precisely because I focused on becoming my best self and put all the BS that you guys obsess over wayyyyy down my priority list. You are the great work of your own life, and if you build it, they really will come.

If women are your concern, the standards women have in men are so low these days that no matter where I go in the world I am quite successful just by being sociable, fun, and having my **** relatively together. I think what many here fail is the creeper test- they just appear creepy in many contexts and it kills their chances at everything from jobs to women to friendship.

[Cornfed]

Oh I just find it all a glorious train wreck to watch, as I was once a sad creature like yourselves and I saved my own ass. I'm living the life and it never would have happened if I had basically given up because I believed the deck was stacked against me. I succeeded precisely because I focused on becoming my best self and put all the BS that you guys obsess over wayyyyy down my priority list. You are the great work of your own life, and if you build it, they really will come.

So as Jordan Peterson would say, clean your room or wash your penis or whatever while the barbarians are at the gate. Don’t bother to unite with your fellow countrymen to fight the barbarians or the traitors who are opening the gates and letting them in. You’re doing OK in the present and that’s all that matters, right? It doesn’t matter that your children and grandchildren, in the unlikely event that you have any, will be living lives of horror we can’t even imagine. That’s their problem. And you hope you will be dead before the horrible consequences of your mentality come home to roost. Consider yourself an honorary boomer.

[Moretorque]

Oh I just find it all a glorious train wreck to watch, as I was once a sad creature like yourselves and I saved my own ass. I'm living the life and it never would have happened if I had basically given up because I believed the deck was stacked against me. I succeeded precisely because I focused on becoming my best self and put all the BS that you guys obsess over wayyyyy down my priority list. You are the great work of your own life, and if you build it, they really will come.

So as Jordan Peterson would say, clean your room or wash your penis or whatever while the barbarians are at the gate. Don’t bother to unite with your fellow countrymen to fight the barbarians or the traitors who are opening the gates and letting them in. You’re doing OK in the present and that’s all that matters, right? It doesn’t matter that your children and grandchildren, in the unlikely event that you have any, will be living lives of horror we can’t even imagine. That’s their problem. And you hope you will be dead before the horrible consequences of your mentality come home to roost. Consider yourself an honorary boomer.

Essentially you hit it on the head, he will tote the party line in pursuit of banking credit! This is where you need to give the Jews some credit.