What percentage of Westerners going abroad end up in p4p?

[Banano]

Its hard to find any stats on this topic but its fair to say there is a lot of guys who dont date proper women and instead end up with p4p or dating one.

Its not like you are saving big $$$ even thou many will tell you its cheap, but not cheap enough to justify going to foreign land to bang some dirty hoe, there are costs associated with travelling which add up

Even by going to 'cheap' p4p places such as PH and Th it is still not that cheap when you think about it

Are these people just losers of society, just think for sec, travelling thousands os miles have sex with pro...i dont know
but thers something that seems very wrong about the whole thing

Big chunk of HA is into p4p and whoremongering, starting from the very top of pyramid

I was never into p4p to be honest, its not matter of money its actually cheaper than real grll, I cant really get turned on by pros, to me they are just emotional basket cases possibly STI infected, no chemistry there, you dont wanna kiss em, you dont wanna licke em, you dont wanna go bareback with them...put on rain coat and stick it in, she moans a few times(aka acting) and you get your rocks off....

I'd like to know maybe Im different but some men make lifestyle out of it

[terminator]

I'd say over 90% do as p4p is the main reason guys go overseas. When their foreign marriages turn sour, it's back to p4p!

[zboy1]

I'd say over 90% do as p4p is the main reason guys go overseas. When their foreign marriages turn sour, it's back to p4p!

That's not true! Not everyone overseas is doing p4p: some just want to find a wife or spouse or desire a better quality of life; others' want a better social life and feel more comfortable overseas. Take me for example, I'm going to Russia not to whoremonger, but to find new friends, live overseas in a new culture, and to find better economic opportunities than the U.S. right now.

[S_Parc]

Its not like you are saving big $$$ even thou many will tell you its cheap, but not cheap enough to justify going to foreign land to bang some dirty hoe, there are costs associated with travelling which add up

Even by going to 'cheap' p4p places such as PH and Th it is still not that cheap when you think about it

Are these people just losers of society, just think for sec, travelling thousands os miles have sex with pro...i dont know
but thers something that seems very wrong about the whole thing

Big chunk of HA is into p4p and whoremongering, starting from the very top of pyramid

I was never into p4p to be honest, its not matter of money its actually cheaper than real grll, I cant really get turned on by pros, to me they are just emotiol basket cases possibly STI infected, no chemistry there, you dont wanna kiss em, you dont wanna licke em, you dont wanna go bareback with them...put on rain coat and stick it in, she moans a few times(aka acting) and you get your rocks off....

I'd like to know maybe I'm different but some men make lifestyle out of it

Banano, there's Canada & Mexico, if you don't like the flight times to Asia.

Next, it's apparent that you've never had a GFE & been with expert courtesans, who look like movie stars ... for example, Jennifer Connolly or Julie Delpy, but then later, don't sue you for harassment or follow you back to your office, to make a scene in front of everybody at work.

You see, the problem is America, not those who don't want to put up with BS here. Losers are those with a *need to belong* and a *need to do* what others tell 'em to do. My sister has histrionic personality disorder, hasn't been able to sustain her career but is married to someone with a fear of divorce and how that looks to others. In another 10-15 years, her husband will be dead of a stroke or heart attack; she'll get his life insurance. Is this suppose to be *right*, from your p.o.v? If anything, he's the complete loser and those who support his sort of predicament.

[OutWest]

Its hard to find any stats on this topic but its fair to say there is a lot of guys who dont date proper women and instead end up with p4p or dating one.




Its not like you are saving big $$$ even thou many will tell you its cheap, but not cheap enough to justify going to foreign land to bang some dirty hoe, there are costs associated with travelling which add up


Even by going to 'cheap' p4p places such as PH and Th it is still not that cheap when you think about it


Are these people just losers of society, just think for sec, travelling thousands os miles have sex with pro...i dont know
but thers something that seems very wrong about the whole thing

Big chunk of HA is into p4p and whoremongering, starting from the very top of pyramid

I was never into p4p to be honest, its not matter of money its actually cheaper than real grll, I cant really get turned on by pros, to me they are just emotiol basket cases possibly STI infected, no chemistry there, you dont wanna kiss em, you dont wanna licke em, you dont wanna go bareback with them...put on rain coat and stick it in, she moans a few times(aka acting) and you get your rocks off....



I'd like to know maybe Im different but some men make lifestyle out of it

I have been through scores of countries and lived in several. The majority of men will go for paid help, but certainly not all.
Those who are into p4p in a big way have little chance of making a marriage succeed. The P4P and not being marriage capable are not unrelated. Few whore mongers can succeed at marriage...kinda one of those DUH observations. In fact, being a whore monger is trap that few escape from.

Those who live their lives with purpose and are oriented towards having a companion in life have a much greater chance of success.
My impression on this forum is that most here see marriage as just getting a free whore. I see very little evidence of men here actually considering much about a woman's character, so for most, they are better suited to getting it on with hookers and calling it a day.


Outwest

[Andrewww]

I don't need to go abroad for p4p, that would actually be stupid. US men can come over the border to Canada and get as much p4p as they like, GFE experience anyday, everyday. If you don't like the girl send her home, only 9s and 10s allowed.

Anyway, p4p is a temporary thing, it shouldn't be the natural order of things. It's rather an answer to this BS game that women in North America are playing every time you hit on them. If you count in the time and money you spend on chasing entitled cunts for crappy sex, you'll find out that a top class escort is actually a much better deal.

Unfortunately, prostitution is still seen as "evil" in the West which is really not the case. If it were legalized there would be a lot more competition, lower prices, better service and no pimps to take advantage of the women. Then the AW would oficially become obsolete because aside from sex she really has nothing to offer.

That's why you should go abroad...to find a woman that's worth more than her vagina, not for the opposite...no respect for guys who do that.

[Tsar]

[Banano]

Not easy to put number on it but my gut feel tells me theres lot of men who end up chasing p4p while overseas.

take a look at short term tourists for example(vacation under 2 months), these folks represent majority of men who travel and all of these men will get involved with either p4p or 'real' girl from internet, unless you are younger ok looking guy and you could pull some regulars,

the older you are more likely you going to end up with p4p, young guys in 20s and 30s will have better chances than older guys in 40s and 50s


Ladislav for example was into suggardaddying and that left him broke financially and emotionally

[OutWest]

Not easy to put number on it but my gut feel tells me theres lot of men who end up chasing p4p while overseas.

take a look at short term tourists for example(vacation under 2 months), these folks represent majority of men who travel and all of these men will get involved with either p4p or 'real' girl from internet, unless you are younger ok looking guy and you could pull some regulars,

the older you are more likely you going to end up with p4p, young guys in 20s and 30s will have better chances than older guys in 40s and 50s


Ladislav for example was into suggardaddying and that left him broke financially and emotionally

Yes, but had he been inclined, he could have been married a 100 times over.


Outwest

[leavingusa]

Its hard to find any stats on this topic but its fair to say there is a lot of guys who dont date proper women and instead end up with p4p or dating one.




Its not like you are saving big $$$ even thou many will tell you its cheap, but not cheap enough to justify going to foreign land to bang some dirty hoe, there are costs associated with travelling which add up


Even by going to 'cheap' p4p places such as PH and Th it is still not that cheap when you think about it


Are these people just losers of society, just think for sec, travelling thousands os miles have sex with pro...i dont know
but thers something that seems very wrong about the whole thing

Big chunk of HA is into p4p and whoremongering, starting from the very top of pyramid

I was never into p4p to be honest, its not matter of money its actually cheaper than real grll, I cant really get turned on by pros, to me they are just emotiol basket cases possibly STI infected, no chemistry there, you dont wanna kiss em, you dont wanna licke em, you dont wanna go bareback with them...put on rain coat and stick it in, she moans a few times(aka acting) and you get your rocks off....

I'd like to know maybe Im different but some men make lifestyle out of it

You have a point, these plane tickets cost serious money. It seems like just a way to save the ego, those girls really liked me.

I've kissed pros plenty of time and nothing. f***ed without a condom, you name it. Herpes is not big deal (if I have it I didn't notice), I've banged probably close to 100 pros and non pros without a condom. You won't get HIV easily as a man from heterosexual intercourse, the odds are astronomical. You get it from taking it up the rear or sharing needles the same way all those people in Africa get it.

Also bear in mind that many of the women you'll be "dating" if they are not virgins are likely whores or have functioned as such at one point in their lives. Bar skanks don't use condoms, most escorts do (but not all the time obviously).

Most girls these days have comparable partner counts as hookers, only difference is hookers usually demand condoms. You're fine kissing a hooker as a regular woman unless she didn't use mouthwash.

But at the end of the day you are right but I would add that sex with non-hookers is also pointless and boring and just as much likelihood of acting.

[Dragon]

Its not like you are saving big $$$ even thou many will tell you its cheap, but not cheap enough to justify going to foreign land to bang some dirty hoe, there are costs associated with travelling which add up


Even by going to 'cheap' p4p places such as PH and Th it is still not that cheap when you think about it

Are these people just losers of society, just think for sec, travelling thousands os miles have sex with pro...i dont know
but thers something that seems very wrong about the whole thing

I'm going to play Devil's Advocate a little bit.

It's true that in terms of costs, p4p in PH or Thailand is going to be more costly, especially for short term visits. The only exception of course is if you actually live and work there. Then it becomes a lifestyle and then it's a matter of morals.

Winston said that he had prostitutes in the West and of course he had them in the PH. He noted that being with filipinas, even if you pay them for sex it was, much more girlfriend experience and pleasant than the "mechanical and unemotional" sex offered by other prostitutes. These pinay ladies, would actually be your short-time girlfriend and offer you an emotional experience, even if they don't mean it on their part. Mr. S posted something in the news sections saying that the Philippines is the most "emotional" country in the world. Maybe guys go because there's something you can get in the PH and that you can't get with a random white hooker you find on craigslist? I'm not saying it is morally right or anything, I'm just stating there might be other reasons.

I'd say if you're a monogamous guy who'd prefer a long-term close girlfriend and intimate experiences above all else, then that's pretty good. However, you shouldn't condemn others for enjoying something different. I am not criticizing you, but you have to be careful and wonder if your condemnation isn't some residual parts left over from feminist brainwashing. This is something I've struggled with a lot, because I'm not so sure what constitutes a healthy relationship. Going to college, getting a job, getting a 30 year mortgage, marrying in your 30s ( with wife also being same age), and dying a boring white picket fence death is the mantra they spew and something that's been pounded in me and everyone else for so long in this country. But of course we understand now that it's a bad deal, especially since the wife is certain to be used up and with every "bad boy" riding her to high hell before you ever got to her.

I want you to think about it carefully. Is other guys being sleeping with hookers that much of a big deal and or is it something you were taught to be a big deal? Again, I'm not criticizing you, I'm just showing you there are alternative ways of thinking.

Besides, it doesn't matter anyway. The West is slowly dying.

http://inmalafide.com/the-world-is-doom ... your-life/

[S_Parc]

Also bear in mind that many of the women you'll be "dating" if they are not virgins are likely whores or have functioned as such at one point in their lives. Bar skanks don't use condoms, most escorts do (but not all the time obviously).

Most girls these days have comparable partner counts as hookers, only difference is hookers usually demand condoms. You're fine kissing a hooker as a regular woman unless she didn't use mouthwash.

Now there's a voice of reason.

[leavingusa]

Its not like you are saving big $$$ even thou many will tell you its cheap, but not cheap enough to justify going to foreign land to bang some dirty hoe, there are costs associated with travelling which add up

Even by going to 'cheap' p4p places such as PH and Th it is still not that cheap when you think about it

Are these people just losers of society, just think for sec, travelling thousands os miles have sex with pro...i dont know
but thers something that seems very wrong about the whole thing

Big chunk of HA is into p4p and whoremongering, starting from the very top of pyramid

I was never into p4p to be honest, its not matter of money its actually cheaper than real grll, I cant really get turned on by pros, to me they are just emotiol basket cases possibly STI infected, no chemistry there, you dont wanna kiss em, you dont wanna licke em, you dont wanna go bareback with them...put on rain coat and stick it in, she moans a few times(aka acting) and you get your rocks off....

I'd like to know maybe I'm different but some men make lifestyle out of it

Banano, there's Canada & Mexico, if you don't like the flight times to Asia.

Next, it's apparent that you've never had a GFE & been with expert courtesans, who look like movie stars ... for example, Jennifer Connolly or Julie Delpy, but then later, don't sue you for harassment or follow you back to your office, to make a scene in front of everybody at work.

Yeah GFE is great sometimes, I would love to go to Canada and check that out as a once in a blue moon kind of thing.

To me that is worthwhile to take a relatively inexpensive vacation to get better quality poon without a lot of drama. Not everyone wants to live in a foreign country and assimilate and go through lengthy courtship rituals to get the same acting.

I don't think it matters that they are acting as long as the acting is convincing, all women are acting to some extent. I have had chemistry and orgasms with pros and I've had lack of same from not pros.

They all want to get paid and you will pay no matter what, that's the bottom line.

[lone_yakuza]

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[Dragon]

Its not like you are saving big $$$ even thou many will tell you its cheap, but not cheap enough to justify going to foreign land to bang some dirty hoe, there are costs associated with travelling which add up


Even by going to 'cheap' p4p places such as PH and Th it is still not that cheap when you think about it

Are these people just losers of society, just think for sec, travelling thousands os miles have sex with pro...i dont know
but thers something that seems very wrong about the whole thing

I'm going to play Devil's Advocate a little bit.

It's true that in terms of costs, p4p in PH or Thailand is going to be more costly, especially for short term visits. The only exception of course is if you actually live and work there. Then it becomes a lifestyle and then it's a matter of morals.

Winston said that he had hoes in the West and of course he had them in the PH. He noted that being with filipinas, even if you pay them for sex it was, much more girlfriend experience and pleasant than the "mechanical and unemotional" sex offered by other hoes. These pinay ladies, would actually be your short-time girlfriend and offer you an emotional experience, even if they don't mean it on their part. Mr. S posted something in the news sections saying that the Philippines is the most "emotional" country in the world. Maybe guys go because there's something you can get in the PH and that you can't get with a random white hooker you find on craigslist? I'm not saying it is morally right or anything, I'm just stating there might be other reasons.

I'd say if you're a monogamous guy who'd prefer a long-term close girlfriend and intimate experiences above all else, then that's pretty good. However, you shouldn't condemn others for enjoying something different. I am not criticizing you, but you have to be careful and wonder if your condemnation isn't some residual parts left over from feminist brainwashing. This is something I've struggled with a lot, because I'm not so sure what constitutes a healthy relationship. Going to college, getting a job, getting a 30 year mortgage, marrying in in your 30s ( with wife also being same age), and dying a boring white picket fence death is the mantra they spew and something that's been pounded in me and everyone else for so long in this country. But of course we understand now that it's a bad deal, especially since the wife is certain to be used up and with every "bad boy" riding her to high hell before you ever got to her.

I want you to think about it carefully. Is other guys being sleeping with hookers that much of a big deal and or is it something you were taught to be a big deal? Again, I'm not criticizing you, I'm just showing you there are alternative ways of thinking.

Besides, it doesn't matter anyway. The West is slowly dying.

http://inmalafide.com/the-world-is-doom ... your-life/

The west is falling and the east is once again rising. You should be happy.

For close to 5000 continuous years, East Asia and the Middle East were the supreme powers of the world. Obviously many ends of dynasties, and chaos as well, but East Asian cultures have survived continuously for between 2000-4000 continuous years until the Mongols invaded, then the Western Imperialists. But this century, hopefully will be our century. The East Asian century. When East Asia becomes the world superpower again, and if it can, we will no longer have to worry about Hollywood influence or whatever underhanded method the west tries to use to cockblock East Asian guys. Jealous, old, shriveled, balding, white anglosaxon western european and jewish men who age like shit and generally have beer bellies by the time they are 35.

HAHAHAAHAHAHAH

Relevant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Century


I'm not a fan of Western countries and am fully aware that Western "cultural exports" like Liberalism/Feminism have caused way too much damage to the world. It's good riddance that in the coming century the West will lose it's important--with a whimper and not a bang. However, I'm a little apprehensive to want to support a lot of Asian countries. Places like China have their own problems. There's crazy levels of pollution in China, and some places have astronomical cancer rates. It's gotten so bad that the wealthy political elite in the country have their own clean farmland to feed only themselves because only an idiot would want to consume contaminated crap. Everyone else is forced to eat the poisoned crap. Don't get me started on Japan and South Korea. We Asians are still far too neurotic, face-saving, petty, and status-oriented to ever be the next heralds of humanity. Perhaps when the West falls, guys like us should take leadership roles to change things for the better. Or cleanse the idiots with a 9mm.


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/MG07Ad02.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/05/world ... .html?_r=0