What percentage of Westerners going abroad end up in p4p?

[lone_yakuza]

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[mguy]

"We Asians are still far too neurotic, face-saving, petty, and status-oriented to ever be the next heralds of humanity."

lol

[Maker55]

The world's richest continent Africa is also rising and was a super empire for thousands of years.t

Africa, despite its problems, is getting more and more developed.

Europeans don't want to admit it but that's why they've plundered Africa for its resources for so long.

Africa has everything from oil, gold and silver.

[S_Parc]

Fellas, before we go off on Empires: Past, Present, or Future, I think the main topic deserves some closure.

For one, I believe the OP is under the mirage of Yankee-town propaganda that there are authentic relationships and then, there are p4p/clockwatchers. Well, the world is a melange of both. In the US, however, it's about douchebags vis-a-vis beta males, which is not here or there.

All and all, the problem with overseas, and I've experienced it for myself is that ultimately, you have to become that other culture's person. Thus, if I were into the whole Catholic extended family thing, I would have married my Brazilian ex-GF and be living in Rio today. Yet, a lot of other guys would have jumped into it, head first without thinking, and find themselves trapped with 3-4 kids and a bunch of in-laws. Well, for me, *hindsight is 20/20* is a lame excuse, I believe in *foresight is 20/40*, not always correct but has quite a lens of truth to it.

And finally, my GFE experiences up in Quebec blow away (no pun intended ) the girlfriends I've had, either in America or abroad, in terms of overall experience and enjoyment. And finally, yes, they do go away, leaving you to live your life the way you see fit to live it. You are not obliged to spend your free hours at the Mall, dealing with her witchy friends (most of whom are secretly competitive &/o mean-spirited), or constantly perusing jewelery stores to play that quarterly Valentine's Day ritual

[terminator]

I'd say over 90% do as p4p is the main reason guys go overseas. When their foreign marriages turn sour, it's back to p4p!

That's not true! Not everyone overseas is doing p4p: some just want to find a wife or spouse or desire a better quality of life; others' want a better social life and feel more comfortable overseas. Take me for example, I'm going to Russia not to whoremonger, but to find new friends, live overseas in a new culture, and to find better economic opportunities than the U.S. right now.

OK, it's good you weren't corrupted by the other guys in the military (I read on another posting you were a soldier). That's fine you don't do p4p and it's fine for other guys who do choose to do it. Thousands of rejections affect guys differently.
I hope your life in Russia works out for you - just prepare for "bumps" along the way as nothing is easy in that country.

[skateboardstephen]

ok me and a Brazilian dude was having this converstation over a joint the other night. And i was telling him that this sterotype of Brazilian women being easy or these party girls that run around naked and f**k every foriegner is only just that a sterotype.He also agreed that you still have to have game to even get that "hot chick" so if dudes did not find a wife (like i did) and you have no game and can't speak the language you will end up in P4p just to spend your money and end up back at square one. The benefits of my situation is that i have documents to stay in the country.You can't marry a prostitute.

Most women here do not give a f**k about Americans.They may only care down here if you are the "super duper white dude" they see on tv since you don't even see most white Brazilians associating with most people on the street or at certain venues so a darker Brazilian chick may jump at the opportunity to get with the white gringo dude because he is more likely to hang at at cheaper venues and spots that are considered low class by white Brazilians and people who are rich, so now the girl as access to that Brad pit looking guy she allways saw in American movies that she would not other wise have had access to in her own country.As for me they think i am just another favelado (which i am) poor Afro-Brazilian.

I say it is not really worth the trip is all you want to do is f**k hoes. Dominican Republic,Mexico and Canada are closer.If you have a wife a family and plan to stay then this is something different.

[Andrewww]

I'd say if you're a monogamous guy who'd prefer a long-term close girlfriend and intimate experiences above all else, then that's pretty good. However, you shouldn't condemn others for enjoying something different. I am not criticizing you, but you have to be careful and wonder if your condemnation isn't some residual parts left over from feminist brainwashing. This is something I've struggled with a lot, because I'm not so sure what constitutes a healthy relationship. Going to college, getting a job, getting a 30 year mortgage, marrying in your 30s ( with wife also being same age), and dying a boring white picket fence death is the mantra they spew and something that's been pounded in me and everyone else for so long in this country. But of course we understand now that it's a bad deal, especially since the wife is certain to be used up and with every "bad boy" riding her to high hell before you ever got to her.

I want you to think about it carefully. Is other guys being sleeping with hookers that much of a big deal and or is it something you were taught to be a big deal? Again, I'm not criticizing you, I'm just showing you there are alternative ways of thinking

Well that's the dilema I'm facing...I've gotten used with pros lately (although I use them rarely) and if you asked me 2-3 years ago what I thought about them, I'd say lots of bad things.

You have to keep a sense of morality. I still don't think whore mongering is a good thing and it shouldn't be the sole reason you go abroad. It should be a temporary solution if you're tired of playing games. Also, even if you go to another country, the high class escorts are gonna cost you. In Eastern Europe they charge 150-200 euros per hour.
Cheap sex can be more dangerous. Usually top class escort don't sleep with punks, their main clients are lawyers, doctors, lots of married men who are unlikely to carry STDs. Plus they test themselves because they genuinely care about their bodies. I'm not talking just about HIV (that's really like winning the lottery...the opposite I mean but you get my point) but other deseases. I wouldn't want to pass herpes to my future wife and risk my kid being born with it. For those who don't want kids I guess they're OK with it.

[Rock]

Its hard to find any stats on this topic but its fair to say there is a lot of guys who dont date proper women and instead end up with p4p or dating one.

Its not like you are saving big $$$ even thou many will tell you its cheap, but not cheap enough to justify going to foreign land to bang some dirty hoe, there are costs associated with travelling which add up

Even by going to 'cheap' p4p places such as PH and Th it is still not that cheap when you think about it

Are these people just losers of society, just think for sec, travelling thousands os miles have sex with pro...i dont know
but thers something that seems very wrong about the whole thing

Big chunk of HA is into p4p and whoremongering, starting from the very top of pyramid

I was never into p4p to be honest, its not matter of money its actually cheaper than real grll, I cant really get turned on by pros, to me they are just emotional basket cases possibly STI infected, no chemistry there, you dont wanna kiss em, you dont wanna licke em, you dont wanna go bareback with them...put on rain coat and stick it in, she moans a few times(aka acting) and you get your rocks off....

I'd like to know maybe Im different but some men make lifestyle out of it

I went abroad for better opportunities - social, dating, and economic. And all three panned-out way beyond my expectations. I've earned virtually all of my money outside America and built-up my asset base completely offshore. P4P had had nothing to do with my motivation.

You don't need to move abroad specifically for paid sex. P4P strategies can work for most locales (including within the 50 States) so it shouldn't be a reason unless you are already retired and want it at your front door. If u are in northern part of US, take trips to Canada. In California or SW, there Mexico. In the South, you can get directly to about anywhere in Caribbean or South America directly by taking a flight to Miami or Ft. Lauderdale. If u live in Western Europe, head for Berlin, Ukraine, or Russia to get rejuvenated on long week-ends and some holidays. And if u r in Asia or even Australia/NZ, its easy to get to Pattaya, Angeles, Phnom Penh, Singapore, HK, or certain hot spots of China.

P4P is a lifestyle for many men in certain cultures even though those men may have gfs or wives. In the big Brazilian cities, many local business men, esp. those in their 30s will visit Termas to enjoy sitting with bikini clad women or sometimes take them to a room. China, S. Korea, Japan, Thailand have their various versions of local style P4P as I'm sure do many other countries and cultures.

For retired guys who don't wanna find another LT gf or wife, sex tourism may make a lot of sense. But that is just a subset of HA. Most guys on this board are at points in their life where they are just getting started or at least still have a lot of career left ahead of them. If they are creative enough, the can put-together a HA solution which works out like mine has - enhancing their social, dating, and economic lives. And if they are keen to focus on finding a partner, they can probably find a much higher quality one in certain cities and areas overseas than they could ever hope to find in USA.

Just an anecdote to throw in. I had my hair cut the other day. The stylist here in Florida was telling me about her children. She is Costa Rican but has been living here for a long time. I asked why her children were not here with her in the States since I just naively assumed they would be glad to live and work here since they are from less developed Central America, lol. She told me they both (son and daughter) liked Brazil much better and had moved there instead. Moreover, her son had been successful at some trading business he set-up in Rio importing from Asia and had become a millionaire in just a few short years. And he's still under 30. So economically, and depending on your mindset, USA is not the end-all be all for money making opportunities. Many creative types may succeed at finding lucrative opportunities in emerging markets such as the BRICS countries. Just something to think about. There's a lot more to HA than relocating just to chase whores.

[OutWest]

Its hard to find any stats on this topic but its fair to say there is a lot of guys who dont date proper women and instead end up with p4p or dating one.

Its not like you are saving big $$$ even thou many will tell you its cheap, but not cheap enough to justify going to foreign land to bang some dirty hoe, there are costs associated with travelling which add up

Even by going to 'cheap' p4p places such as PH and Th it is still not that cheap when you think about it

Are these people just losers of society, just think for sec, travelling thousands os miles have sex with pro...i dont know
but thers something that seems very wrong about the whole thing

Big chunk of HA is into p4p and whoremongering, starting from the very top of pyramid

I was never into p4p to be honest, its not matter of money its actually cheaper than real grll, I cant really get turned on by pros, to me they are just emotional basket cases possibly STI infected, no chemistry there, you dont wanna kiss em, you dont wanna licke em, you dont wanna go bareback with them...put on rain coat and stick it in, she moans a few times(aka acting) and you get your rocks off....

I'd like to know maybe Im different but some men make lifestyle out of it

I went abroad for better opportunities - social, dating, and economic. And all three panned-out way beyond my expectations. I've earned virtually all of my money outside America and built-up my asset base completely offshore. P4P had had nothing to do with my motivation.

You don't need to move abroad specifically for paid sex. P4P strategies can work for most locales (including within the 50 States) so it shouldn't be a reason unless you are already retired and want it at your front door. If u are in northern part of US, take trips to Canada. In California or SW, there Mexico. In the South, you can get directly to about anywhere in Caribbean or South America directly by taking a flight to Miami or Ft. Lauderdale. If u live in Western Europe, head for Berlin, Ukraine, or Russia to get rejuvenated on long week-ends and some holidays. And if u r in Asia or even Australia/NZ, its easy to get to Pattaya, Angeles, Phnom Penh, Singapore, HK, or certain hot spots of China.

P4P is a lifestyle for many men in certain cultures even though those men may have gfs or wives. In the big Brazilian cities, many local business men, esp. those in their 30s will visit Termas to enjoy sitting with bikini clad women or sometimes take them to a room. China, S. Korea, Japan, Thailand have their various versions of local style P4P as I'm sure do many other countries and cultures.

For retired guys who don't wanna find another LT gf or wife, sex tourism may make a lot of sense. But that is just a subset of HA. Most guys on this board are at points in their life where they are just getting started or at least still have a lot of career left ahead of them. If they are creative enough, the can put-together a HA solution which works out like mine has - enhancing their social, dating, and economic lives. And if they are keen to focus on finding a partner, they can probably find a much higher quality one in certain cities and areas overseas than they could ever hope to find in USA.

Just an anecdote to throw in. I had my hair cut the other day. The stylist here in Florida was telling me about her children. She is Costa Rican but has been living here for a long time. I asked why her children were not here with her in the States since I just naively assumed they would be glad to live and work here since they are from less developed Central America, lol. She told me they both (son and daughter) liked Brazil much better and had moved there instead. Moreover, her son had been successful at some trading business he set-up in Rio importing from Asia and had become a millionaire in just a few short years. And he's still under 30. So economically, and depending on your mindset, USA is not the end-all be all for money making opportunities. Many creative types may succeed at finding lucrative opportunities in emerging markets such as the BRICS countries. Just something to think about. There's a lot more to HA than relocating just to chase whores.

Yes there is much more to being abroad than whore mongering, but most will not figure that out it seems...