Do Foreign Girls really like Good Men?

ExpatLife4Me · Post by **ExpatLife4Me** » March 15th, 2012, 6:34 pm

So, I think it's no surprise to anyone here that American women like thugs, bad-boys, and douchebags and that if you're a good, decent, hard-working man you're going to get left out. I can't even look at 99% of the girls around me anymore without feeling some sort of revulsion because I know that deep down they're just looking for where they can line up for the emotional rollercoaster that is one of these bad-boys or one of these thugs.

The thing is though, while I know that culture and socialization play a big part in this, do foreign women really like the good men. They may be brought up differently but they're still female.

WuFan · Post by **WuFan** » March 16th, 2012, 1:52 am

They do.

Good men = Men with lotsa $$$

Post by **Winston** » March 16th, 2012, 1:56 am

In general yes. But it depends on where they are from. In first world countries, foreign women are more picky and the dating scene is more competitive. With them, being a good guy isn't enough. You gotta have more.

In poorer countries where women are more desperate and can't find a good guy, they will often like you just for being a good decent guy. It really depends on where they are from. Try to ask a more specific question next time.

xiongmao · Post by **xiongmao** » March 16th, 2012, 2:20 am

Sure, women everywhere love good guys. But don't kid yourself, they like bad boys even better. And best of all, they like men that other women like.

If you're a good guy, become more bad. You can't fight a billion years of evolution.

Post by **Winston** » March 16th, 2012, 2:26 am

xiongmao wrote:Sure, women everywhere love good guys. But don't kid yourself, they like bad boys even better. And best of all, they like men that other women like.

If you're a good guy, become more bad. You can't fight a billion years of evolution.

What do you mean by bad boy exactly? Lots of bad boys get no women.

I don't know any decent women that like bad boys. Especially in Asia. Foreign women don't like bad boys unless they have mental problems, or unless he is hot, charismatic and exciting at the same time. I don't know even one foreign woman who goes for bad boys. Come on now. You are promoting a myth.

WuFan · Post by **WuFan** » March 16th, 2012, 3:26 am

bad boy = good looking guy

ugly/average looking guy acting like badboy = pervert, loser, creep, tryhard

davewe · Post by **davewe** » March 16th, 2012, 10:53 am

ExpatLife4Me wrote:So, I think it's no surprise to anyone here that American women like thugs, bad-boys, and douchebags and that if you're a good, decent, hard-working man you're going to get left out. I can't even look at 99% of the girls around me anymore without feeling some sort of revulsion because I know that deep down they're just looking for where they can line up for the emotional rollercoaster that is one of these bad-boys or one of these thugs.

The thing is though, while I know that culture and socialization play a big part in this, do foreign women really like the good men. They may be brought up differently but they're still female.

As you've addressed the question, I think it's impossible to answer. First you have to define what you mean by good guy, and other men's forums beat this question to death with no resolution. Some people define a good guy = nice guy = loser. Others define is as a genuine man with good, responsible character. Some more cynical types just equate it to money, as in women like good guys cause they have $$.

My modest experience with foreign women tells me that they are very interested in men with masculine characteristics. They may play games to try to get you to follow them but will not respect you if you do. You have to take the lead and be at least somewhat dominant in the relationship. But that does not mean you have to be some kind of bad boy. You can display masculine characteristics without being a douchebag.

Does that mean they like good guys? Again depends on your definition. And of course it also depends on whether you are talking about short term or long term relationships. Most of the foreign women I have known were much more aware of the difference between the bad boy she might like to screw and the genuine man she dreams of marrying than an AW would be.

But as always your best bet is to get out there and find out for yourself.

Rock · Post by **Rock** » March 16th, 2012, 11:22 am

Winston wrote:
xiongmao wrote:Sure, women everywhere love good guys. But don't kid yourself, they like bad boys even better. And best of all, they like men that other women like.

If you're a good guy, become more bad. You can't fight a billion years of evolution.
What do you mean by bad boy exactly? Lots of bad boys get no women.

I don't know any decent women that like bad boys. Especially in Asia. Foreign women don't like bad boys unless they have mental problems, or unless he is hot, charismatic and exciting at the same time. I don't know even one foreign woman who goes for bad boys. Come on now. You are promoting a myth.

The usual concept of 'bad boy' is the guy who loves em' and leaves em', cheats outrageously while in a relationship, does things his own way in his own time w/little regard to needs or wants of any of his partners, doesn't give a shit and takes no shit, uses girls at his whim, and does not take responsibility (especially when he gets girls pregnant), etc.

The good/nice guy is pretty much the opposite of all the above.

So why would a woman be attracted to such an asshole? Well, some of his behavior projects strength. Being a doormat is just not attractive to most women. There are evolutionary explanations for why that's the case.

Now let me bring in a bit of personal experience. I've met girls who I treated quite badly because frankly, I had no romantic attraction to them and wanted them to leave me alone and not waste our time. Amazingly, some of them became obsessive finding ways to pursue me, give me letters and gifts, etc. The more they did, the worse I treated them until they finally came to their senses and gave-up. Before that point, it was a vicious cycle kinda dynamic. On the other hand, I've made the mistake of sucking-up to girls I was overly attracted to a few times. It almost always backfired meaning, she lost all respect for me and any initial attraction she might have had disappeared. That's your direct ticket to the 'friend zone'.

I think NE Asian girls have more sense and are better at leaving abusers when things go to far then girls in many other parts of the world. But even in Taiwan, I know of some women who stay with very bad guys. More generally, I've been amazed at how women in many parts of the world I've traveled to tolerate extreme abuse and remain in love with the bad guy in their life.

I think what women really want in most cases is the man who manages to be strong and good (read responsible and fair) at the same time, a combination of the best features taken from the bad and good guy above. Pretty much the way davewe put it in his last post here.

GuitarGuy996 · Post by **GuitarGuy996** » March 16th, 2012, 11:33 am

You can be a good human being without being a pushover.

I know it's a bit vague and over stated, but just be you.

I'm a nerd. I don't hide it. I make it work for me.

E_Irizarry · Post by **E_Irizarry** » March 16th, 2012, 11:37 am

GuitarGuy996 wrote:You can be a good human being without being a pushover.

I know it's a bit vague and over stated, but just be you.

I'm a nerd. I don't hide it. I make it work for me.

I like that +1

Post by **fschmidt** » March 16th, 2012, 12:44 pm

I have explained all this in Male Mating Strategies. The idea that asshole behavior projects strength or that nice guys are pushovers is just wrong. The more feminist a society is, the more women will be attracted to bad-boys and repulsed by nice guys as I explained in the post I linked to.

dreamer82 · Post by **dreamer82** » March 16th, 2012, 3:25 pm

I look like the quintessential geek usually but one day I was looking a little rough. I hadn't showered or shaved but had to get to the post office. I threw on a flannel shirt and put one of those wool beany caps on my head. Looking disheveled with sunglasses on, I went to the post office and believe or not, got some serious attention by an Asian American girl. She gave me a serious stare which was something I wasn't used to. Normally, I am clean shaven and get no attention. Her look was more than, "Let's get coffee". I was shocked!

skateboardstephen · Post by **skateboardstephen** » March 17th, 2012, 2:53 am

Winston wrote:In general yes. But it depends on where they are from. In first world countries, foreign women are more picky and the dating scene is more competitive. With them, being a good guy isn't enough. You gotta have more.

In poorer countries where women are more desperate and can't find a good guy, they will often like you just for being a good decent guy. It really depends on where they are from. Try to ask a more specific question next time.

Winston hit the nail right on the head with this one and i think it probably deserves it's own thread but since he said it here i going to talk about it here.Me living in a brasilian/hispanic neighborhood in philly i have noticed that foreign women here can be more picky than american women a lot of times.Firstly most of the women come here married from the door either with an american man who did the smart thing and went to her country or with a man she came here with from her own culture.

And if they are single 9 times out of ten they were born here and they tend to have a lot of nationalistic pride(even if they never even been to they're native country) and be in you're face with it with the attitude if you don't speak my language and are not from my country you can take a hike.They tend to create language barriers around them even though they speak english perfectly making them once again unapproachable that is if you can't chime in in that language you're self.Women from Foreign cultures born in the states are notorious for this.

A lot of foreign women in my opinion especially from south america of the spanish and portugese colonies can be racist especially if they don't identify as black this is very true about white and mixed race brasilian women i very rarely see them f**k with black dudes or asian dudes here, shit not even hispanic guys from spanish speaking countries.But if you are a white guy and they want to date outside they're race they will take you.

As for if they like good men i was say yes generally.But in the u.s of gay if you are a nice white guy with money then you being a nice guy with most foreign women in the states is not a problem.

Now in they're country i say yes they love good men.

Think Different · Post by **Think Different** » March 17th, 2012, 2:57 am

Lyrics to the punk song "Even Hitler Had a Girlfriend":

http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/mrtexperi ... riend.html

All_That_Is_Man · Post by **All_That_Is_Man** » March 17th, 2012, 3:50 am

I can't accurately answer the question that this topic asks. All I can say is that, since I started listening to Tom Leykis, I can no longer be bothered with what women "like" anymore. It's all about a decent career, health, and knocking women off their pedestal in between, just because.

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