Is this site/forum finished?

[Devil Dog]

Banano, why would pic-up guys like spent time in this place when there is rooshv and others. don´t make sense to me. winner guys would not spent time here with winston and other special guys.

guys who are not somehow "losers" could not bear this stuff. here is like puahate abroad.

The members of the loser majority here have zero PU skills. Therefore, in their dogma, PU skills are worthless. They can't get their heads around the concept that some PU skills would help them with nice girls abroad. (See Cornfed's post above.)

But they are all "free thinkers".

[Devil Dog]

If people are averse to reading anything other than the silly and boring politically correct nonsense they have been brainwashed with, then they should just repair to daytime television. As to the idea that Winston should cave to political correctness to attract more posters, experience has shown that it will have the opposite effect on a forum like this with an intrinsically politically incorrect theme. Look at what happened to the men are better than women forum after Dax/Dick appointed feminist mods to ban all the real anti-feminist posters. The forum became a bunch of female attention whores and manginas white-knighting them, which most people eventually got bored with, and now the forum is essentially dead. If Dax had been intending to make money with it then he would have made a big mistake by trying to pander to the PC crowd. The same thing has happened on many other forums with the same result.

This is a good point. And I agree. But the thing is, we are doing well attracting misfits and freethinkers, but not the mainstream crowd. To attract the mainstream requires some degree of political correctness. So we will always be in a niche.

Winston, you could require civility and by doing so you would add to the number of quality posters. Civility and political correctness are not the same thing. You could add posters with relevant experience who would not be willing to put up with the currently prevalent level of abuse. Who would you lose? Only a few abusive losers.

As it is now, you are slowly losing your experienced (on topic) posters and gaining more losers.

The idea that one can leave the US and live a better life abroad will never be mainstream.

[Winston]

This site is doing great job in atracting misfits and freethinkers as Winston pointed out, also site is full of betas, whoremongers, anti-social and awkward guys, guys who are considered failure at home when it comes to women.

What we dont have on this forum are natural pickup-artist type of guys, guys who are sccessfull with WW/AW, people are sick of AW haters.

We have a situation where everyone is either chronic masturbator or whoremonger or both, everyone seems to hate everyone.

You're not looking at the big picture. First, most PUA types are liars and BSers. Very few people are honest and balanced and tell the truth, like our core members here do. Honesty is a rarity, not the norm.

Second, even if someone was genuinely good at PUA, it's not something that can really be taught to you. You either have sexual magnetism, charisma and good looks, or you don't. Most of it isn't about some technique or skill. It's not like learning how to fix a car. Geez. If you had any experience with women or relationships, you'd know that. It sounds like you've fallen for the BS they're trying to sell you. PUA is mostly about looks, not technique. Even Steve Hoca pointed this out eloquently. The only people who say it's about technique are people trying to sell you something or con you.

Get more experience with women and relationships. Then you'll know what I mean. You don't sound experienced at all. You sound naive and gullible, because you think it's all about following some formula. Relationships are all about chemistry and connection. Certain people click and others don't. No method or technique is going to change that. You don't understand human relationships.

Looks and PUA may help with one night stands. But that's not what we are about. Why do you want to focus on PUA's, esp when most of them are BSers?

Besides, why only do a one night stand? If a girl is hot, and I'm attracted to her, I'd want to see her again and date her more, or sleep with her more. What's the logic of making it "one night only"? I've never understood that.

No offense Bananao, but please grow up. When you do, you'll understand that people and relationships do not fit into formulas. Anyone who says it does is trying to sell you something.

[Winston]

Winston, you could require civility and by doing so you would add to the number of quality posters. Civility and political correctness are not the same thing. You could add posters with relevant experience who would not be willing to put up with the currently prevalent level of abuse. Who would you lose? Only a few abusive losers.

As it is now, you are slowly losing your experienced (on topic) posters and gaining more losers.

The idea that one can leave the US and live a better life abroad will never be mainstream.

Who have we lost? The only people we've lost were those who were uncivil themselves (e.g. globetrotter, repatriate) or who could not handle debate.

We do require civility here. But humans are emotional, not logical, so sometimes they will erupt. It's to be expected. Myself included. You have to be realistic.

Odbo was recently banned for violating civil boundaries and sending unwanted PM's to people after being told not to. That was about civility. We've always required civility here. You act like we haven't. But we have.

It's just that we are more tolerant and give more leeway in the name of free speech. But if someone gets out of hand, they do get warned.

Nothing is perfect. There is no win-win situation that will satisfy everyone and solve every problem or dispute.

[Christianfilipinacom]

If you want to have more people who might be more mainstream, you need to get more people who can bring you that kind of traffic to recommend you. I have over 100,000 members who I can fire off an email to and with a 10% open rate that is 10,000 people who would be reading something. But I would never recommend your site as it is now to our members. Maybe this is fine with you. I've told you privately and publicly that one of the most serious problems with your site is that you advertise services that don't deserve your nod of approval. If you want to have respectable people respect your site, it needs to be respectable. It's not. Very simple. If you want respectable advertisers to take over, you know who to call. We might not earn as much by providing a legitimate service as some others might earn by providing a more profitable, even if less useful, service. And so our ability to pay might be less than theirs, in the interim until you build up more readership, but eventually a respectable site would have more readership and then be able to earn more from respectable advertisers also.

[green1976]

Banano is time for you to move your skills to a PUA forum as you bow to WW,AW thinking they can really make a man to man up and don't bring the f**k to pay for it.

You don't have anything in common with HA so what's the point to shoot in a blank target here?

You think it will make change the core of the posters and they will suddenly accept it's better in WW as they are the real misfits and HA is only about hoookers and pay sex?

Thailand as i remember you were there and that's all what you got?
You are missing a great part of it if you just assume it stop in Pattaya.

And you are always pointing at Roosh forum but this guy tells clearly he has nothing to do with AW and that they are toxic to the end.

He recognize whoremongers as a lost cause,using his game as he say abroad but he doesn't disagree in saying it's time to f**k off from the US and let AW with their submissive manginas.

Easier for you now..stay at home...date all the WW women you want..they are there for you and let guys who go to f**k hookers or game abroad to do it,be it they are misfits,not growing up and wathewer.

Are you a good samaritain to care so much about these loosers?

Just play at home man,have a enjoyable life, nobody is forcing you to go abroad and to f**k hookers.

[Banano]

Banano is time for you to move your skills to a PUA forum as you bow to WW,AW thinking they can really make a man to man up and don't bring the f**k to pay for it.

You don't have anything in common with HA so what's the point to shoot in a blank target here?

You think it will make change the core of the posters and they will suddenly accept it's better in WW as they are the real misfits and HA is only about hoookers and pay sex?

Thailand as i remember you were there and that's all what you got?
You are missing a great part of it if you just assume it stop in Pattaya.

And you are always pointing at Roosh forum but this guy tells clearly he has nothing to do with AW and that they are toxic to the end.

He recognize whoremongers as a lost cause,using his game as he say abroad but he doesn't disagree in saying it's time to f**k off from the US and let AW with their submissive manginas.

Easier for you now..stay at home...date all the WW women you want..they are there for you and let guys who go to f**k hookers or game abroad to do it,be it they are misfits,not growing up and wathewer.

Are you a good samaritain to care so much about these loosers?

Just play at home man,have a enjoyable life, nobody is forcing you to go abroad and to f**k hookers.

HA is only about hoookers and pay sex...from what I have seen 90% is about hookers, unfortunately
BTW I was only once in Pattaya and I visited 6-7 different places throughout TH and I came to realize TH not good place to look for love,what Thai women want and what foreigners want are 2 different things, they smile but their feelings are so superficial and that why many betas get burned, even Ladislav talked about it

Its true PUA guys cant teach anyone, as Hoca said you either got it or you dont,
I was more interested in their perspective on home vs abroad dating, cons and pros, is it worthed to move abroad for the sole purpose of getting some p***y, leaving all your friends and family behind just to get some ?

Someone like roosh would be great addition, guys is knowledgeable you got to give him credit and his outlook on women and life is somewhat in line with HA philosophy

[Tsar]

What we dont have on this forum are natural pickup-artist type of guys, guys who are sccessfull with WW/AW

Why would we exactly? Aside from whether crackheads, twitching perverts, illiterate criminals etc. would really add much to the forum, what would they have to do with the topic of leaving the West and being happier abroad?

It would be beneficial to hear from these kind of people, their take on the situation, how they fare abroad with foreign women.

Imagine having a few guys who are natural PUAs who are able to pick up in NYC and LA, guys who are part of 20% crowd,
these are men we can learn from, if you only hang out with losers like yourself, how the fuk you gonna progress?Whining abt AW gets old.

Why would anyone want to learn from PUAs or the thuggish scum Western Women label as "Alphas"? PUAs and thuggish scum labeled Alphas have nothing to teach.

Self-improvement is worthwhile. Go to a gym, do things for you, work on your life, and improve your attractiveness. Learn more talents and skills.

Pick-up artistry and learning about how to be a thug-in-training just to get with women isn't worthwhile. Being a fake just to get with women isn't something that will leave a man with fulfillment. It will also drain him of energy, money, and time.

Don't change for women. Don't be fake to be with women. Don't play into the games.

The West has a misconception relating to what is an alpha and what is a beta.

This article gives examples of traits of alpha men and beta men: http://www.modernmalelifestyle.com/Arti ... fference-2

Some of the traits in that article I would say are irrevelant because most normal men wouldn't want their girl to flirt with other men and many normal men want women in their life as one of their greatest priorities.

I think many of us on this forum are real alphas. The problem is many people in the Western World, especially Western Women, believe propaganda and only see a distorted version of reality, unable to recognize the true reality.

[green1976]

Banano is time for you to move your skills to a PUA forum as you bow to WW,AW thinking they can really make a man to man up and don't bring the f**k to pay for it.

You don't have anything in common with HA so what's the point to shoot in a blank target here?

You think it will make change the core of the posters and they will suddenly accept it's better in WW as they are the real misfits and HA is only about hoookers and pay sex?

Thailand as i remember you were there and that's all what you got?
You are missing a great part of it if you just assume it stop in Pattaya.

And you are always pointing at Roosh forum but this guy tells clearly he has nothing to do with AW and that they are toxic to the end.

He recognize whoremongers as a lost cause,using his game as he say abroad but he doesn't disagree in saying it's time to f**k off from the US and let AW with their submissive manginas.




Easier for you now..stay at home...date all the WW women you want..they are there for you and let guys who go to f**k hookers or game abroad to do it,be it they are misfits,not growing up and wathewer.

Are you a good samaritain to care so much about these loosers?

Just play at home man,have a enjoyable life, nobody is forcing you to go abroad and to f**k hookers.

HA is only about hoookers and pay sex...from what I have seen 90% is about hookers, unfortunately
BTW I was only once in Pattaya and I visited 6-7 different places throughout TH and I came to realize TH not good place to look for love,what Thai women want and what foreigners want are 2 different things, they smile but their feelings are so superficial and that why many betas get burned, even Ladislav talked about it

Its true PUA guys cant teach anyone, as Hoca said you either got it or you dont,
I was more interested in their perspective on home vs abroad dating, cons and pros, is it worthed to move abroad for the sole purpose of getting some p***y, leaving all your friends and family behind just to get some ?

Someone like roosh would be great addition, guys is knowledgeable you got to give him credit and his outlook on women and life is somewhat in line with HA philosophy

By the way i agree Roosh can give a positive plus to guys who think to go abroad or want to game.
Why don't just let HA be it what it is and use Roosh for it.

Pattaya is really the last place in Thailand if you are looking for "non paid sex" and non fake relationship.
Those who have no choice,because their age,their behavior or looks,i won't blame them going to Pattaya and f**k hookers.
What are the escape for them in WW besides wanking on internet porn,get humiliated on dating website or playing the manginas?

WW make clear that they aim for a "quality men" as they say,they won't get down any of their conditions as the whole society accept that.

I am not an expert on Thai society and i some of my last posts i made clear that in Thailand the foreigner have to pay mentality prevail.

If you want to find women who are not that way it will be more difficult but still possible.

My experience there with several gf where money was not involved was in general very positive.
Far away better than in WW.

When Thai girls are really into you,they will be very good gf.

Those guys who search their soulmates in Pattaya are a receipt for a disaster in most case.
I was one of them in some way before because i got quit obnubilated by the easy sex,the good girlfriend experience and it got me some trip to come back down.

For me i really don't care about friends back home because i'm totally disconnected from here.

My only friends are those who goes to Thailand or share the passion to travel to SEA and ladies there.
We get on the same boat,so we are ourselves not interested to have friends not related to HA.
The majority of them are retired or in the process to retire.
So the age dispartiy doesn't count after all as i have nothing in common with a guy my age who seeks to be player in WW and trying to bang in a disco.

If you stroll and you have probably done it,they are plenty of forums related to Thai hookers..i don't see this one as being so hookers related.

And you can have a real gf let's say in Thailand and P4P by the side and i don't witness any opposition in both of these activites.

I have done it myself.....and in my coming trip this month i have already many girls to meet as friends and i will also get some p***y in Pattaya of course.

[jboy]

What we dont have on this forum are natural pickup-artist type of guys, guys who are sccessfull with WW/AW

Why would we exactly? Aside from whether crackheads, twitching perverts, illiterate criminals etc. would really add much to the forum, what would they have to do with the topic of leaving the West and being happier abroad?

It would be beneficial to hear from these kind of people, their take on the situation, how they fare abroad with foreign women.

Imagine having a few guys who are natural PUAs who are able to pick up in NYC and LA, guys who are part of 20% crowd,
these are men we can learn from, if you only hang out with losers like yourself, how the fuk you gonna progress?Whining abt AW gets old.

Why would anyone want to learn from PUAs or the thuggish scum Western Women label as "Alphas"? PUAs and thuggish scum labeled Alphas have nothing to teach.

Self-improvement is worthwhile. Go to a gym, do things for you, work on your life, and improve your attractiveness. Learn more talents and skills.

Pick-up artistry and learning about how to be a thug-in-training just to get with women isn't worthwhile. Being a fake just to get with women isn't something that will leave a man with fulfillment. It will also drain him of energy, money, and time.

Don't change for women. Don't be fake to be with women. Don't play into the games.

The West has a misconception relating to what is an alpha and what is a beta.

This article gives examples of traits of alpha men and beta men: http://www.modernmalelifestyle.com/Arti ... fference-2

Some of the traits in that article I would say are irrevelant because most normal men wouldn't want their girl to flirt with other men and many normal men want women in their life as one of their greatest priorities.

I think many of us on this forum are real alphas. The problem is many people in the Western World, especially Western Women, believe propaganda and only see a distorted version of reality, unable to recognize the true reality.

I don't always agree with your posts but this one is right on the money kid.

[Winston]

HA is only about hoookers and pay sex...from what I have seen 90% is about hookers, unfortunately
BTW I was only once in Pattaya and I visited 6-7 different places throughout TH and I came to realize TH not good place to look for love,what Thai women want and what foreigners want are 2 different things, they smile but their feelings are so superficial and that why many betas get burned, even Ladislav talked about it

Its true PUA guys cant teach anyone, as Hoca said you either got it or you dont,
I was more interested in their perspective on home vs abroad dating, cons and pros, is it worthed to move abroad for the sole purpose of getting some p***y, leaving all your friends and family behind just to get some ?

Someone like roosh would be great addition, guys is knowledgeable you got to give him credit and his outlook on women and life is somewhat in line with HA philosophy

WTF? Why are you making a blatantly FALSE statement that anyone can see is NOT true? Anyone can see even on the latest 100 topics page that most topics are not about p4p at all. Even the threads here about dating and women are NOT about p4p. Are you a troll or paid shill trying to confuse and mislead people by injecting false statements? Your tactics are reminiscent of this video about paid trolls that Mr S posted.

[Winston]

If you want to have more people who might be more mainstream, you need to get more people who can bring you that kind of traffic to recommend you. I have over 100,000 members who I can fire off an email to and with a 10% open rate that is 10,000 people who would be reading something. But I would never recommend your site as it is now to our members. Maybe this is fine with you. I've told you privately and publicly that one of the most serious problems with your site is that you advertise services that don't deserve your nod of approval. If you want to have respectable people respect your site, it needs to be respectable. It's not. Very simple. If you want respectable advertisers to take over, you know who to call. We might not earn as much by providing a legitimate service as some others might earn by providing a more profitable, even if less useful, service. And so our ability to pay might be less than theirs, in the interim until you build up more readership, but eventually a respectable site would have more readership and then be able to earn more from respectable advertisers also.

Wait a minute. Come on now. That is unrelated. First, the reason you wouldn't promote this forum to your mailing list is obvious: There are competitor ads on this forum and it wouldn't be in your interest to do so. Even AFA told me that they do not link to other sites, especially those that have competitor ads on them.

However, I will be promoting your new forum to my mailing list to help get you more traffic. I have no vested interest against it. And since you are one of our sponsors, I will do what I can to help you.

But all this is irrelevant. The claim in this thread is that the CONTENT in this forum is bringing it downhill, not the ads displayed. The forum posters here do not care what ads are displayed. They only care about the content. In any case, the ads here do not gain or lose any traffic or readers.

But the bottom line is that there is no one particular direction this forum is going in. We have many kinds of topics. Some are trashy. Others are good quality. Some are practical. Others are just bantering. And others are deep and philosophical. Some are just about food and travel. So this forum is a mixed bag of many things. That's the beauty of it. The complexity is the beauty of it. So you guys, don't try to simplify it by claiming that this forum is heading in only one direction or all about one thing. Nothing is that black and white, especially here. So stop trying to oversimplify reality. Reality is complex. Embrace the complexity. Don't try to suppress it or deny it by making overgeneralizations to try to oversimplify it. That's not intellectual, but is intellectual laziness.

Please consider what I've said and meditate on it.

[Christianfilipinacom]

You say "The forum posters here do not care what ads are displayed. They only care about the content." and then suggest that other people are engaging in "black and white" "intellectual laziness"?

But I've shown you clearly that what you are lacking to grow is not a renewed vigor from current contributors, rather instead vetted recommendations of new leads who will be inspired by your content and slowly become contributors, forwarders, and fans.